V Bomber vom Wolfsheim - Page 2

Bandit's owner is on the forums here, though she doesn't post much anymore. Maybe this thread will bring her out of hiding?

I remember a thread several years back where she commented on both Bandit and Bomber.

Link to a post Molly made about her dogs, also a link to her kennel homepage: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=17243#543332 

Probably not that long ago, they're only eight years old.  Bomber has been well marketed and probably will be the most bred gsd of all time.  Considering that he hasn't participated in any significant high level trialing events, that's probably a great accomplishment in itself, and testament to what a well promoted dog can achieve.  I hope he offers a positive impact on the breed, because the breed will certainly be shaped by his influence either way.

I have a Bandit boy and as Christine stated he has a very strong defensive drives, great hunt drive and yet from a social standpoint he does very well in strange and public places. As he has matured he has demonstrated the need to be handled with a "fair" approach. He will respond well to corrections but will clearly let me know that I may have asked for him to do something in too strong a manner. There is no question that he is not one to back down if challenged.
If Bomber is like his brother then most of the prodigeny will have produced solid dogs for all seasons.

high defence drive may not be a good thing if your wanting a  dog for the family,no one wants a 5 year old kid getting bitten if the kid gets a little rough with play,I want a dog smart enough to know what a real threat is and what its not.I would hope Bomber or Bandit is not known for that type

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My Bandit son has very solid nerve and has exhibited a very clear head when it comes to those who pose no threat. There is no question thathe will not back down from a serious challenge. I have seen him change his demeanor when around babies and small children. He seems to know that they are Ok and usually gives them a big kiss. I could not be happier with who he is. He is very confident and yet raised around cats and kids with no issues or negatives behaviors. I do keep a close eye as any responsible owner would but he has done just fine.

no troll nor Tim on the pedigree? Thats news.

The really good dogs have discernment to know what a real threat is....so a kid would not be indiscriminately bit. I see people concerned about this often and realize they havent been exposed to the strong dog with good discernment, or they wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Now there are dogs with strong defense that have hair triggers or are not clear headed that may be problematic....but so far I havent heard of this as a general concern of Bandit or Bomber. Yes; no Troll/Timmy

Bomber is a great looking dog but really hasn't accomplished anything from a working prospective. He is bred a lot in Europe because he is a solid black Vito son. Black shepherds are very popular in Europe. Unfortunately there is no evidence of the kind of working dog he is outside of some training video and Kor Klasse. He has not competed in any of the larger events(BSP, LG, FCI) in Germany. That's the true test of working temparment, when the dog competes at the highest levels. Club trials don't tell the whole story.

Not saying you're wrong, but I couldnt give two shits if my dog's father won squat, as long as he produces. Genetics get passed on, trophies collect dust. If Bomber produces, I wouldn't be concerned with a scorebook.

Of course what a stud dog produces is most important but for working dogs the trials are all we have sometimes to evaluate a potential stud. E litter Mohneweise BSP and a WUSV champion from the same litter. Those score books support what the genetics are. Both Tom sons. Many world level competition dogs out of both Ellute and Eros. You may not care what the score book says but if I can't see the dog for myself or what he has produced, what he has done in competition matters to me. The trial is a documented example of working ability, especially at the national and world levels. The J litter Talka Marda is another one with multiple BSP competitors, genetics tested. If I want a working dog, I'm going to look for one from proven working dogs. Just my opinion.