Ok to ask Buyers to Neuter/Spay puppy? - Page 2

Change your breed of choice, dont ruin ours.

Glad to know what I was thinking yesterday when I read this is the same most wrote. Fawndallas you cant get mad posting on an open forum because you bred a dog that is not registered.  Most of us shake our heads wondering why. And I'm not sure what testing you have had done because twice you didnt come right out and say: "I sent hip and elbow films to OFA"....

I'm sure you also know that in a litter not all the pups will have the desire to work. You could end up with no puppies wanting to work and you will be stuck to place the entire litter. You would be better to find what you want and buy it from parents that have already proven they can work AND be genetically sound. The last litter I had some years back cost me $4000.00 before I ever placed a pup. Just because you like Rose and her ability to do what you want doesn't mean she can even produce it.

To put things into perspective, I was evaluating rescue dogs for placement into working homes. Ive evaluated many dogs and less than a handful were even given the chance to move on for further training. Of those handful ONE OR TWO were accepted, the rest came back to rescue for pet homes. If you really want to train dogs for service work, start with dogs whose proven lines will give them the best chance to succeed. Doing it your way may seem cheaper but in the end will cost 5x as much. Been there done that.

fawndallas

you've just opened a hornets' nest ....... you cannot win.

Fawn...actually......what you wrote makes sense to me. I agree with you about service dogs and a lot of german shepherds don't have the temperament.  I think that, as you said, pedigree is not really important for a service dog as most tend to be mixed breeds to start. 

It sounds like you are being very responsible in selecting proper health, finding a suitable mate, and being concerned for the future of the puppies.

Hopefully, Rose and her single litter will get you started on a service dog training program. I hope you have much success with your program as those service dogs are amazing gifts like you said.

Good luck,
Sara

P.S.- I have seen a requirement to spay/neuter a puppy in a contract. One breeder went so far as to request a copy of ever puppy buyer's license!!  It wouldn't hurt to put it in your contract and Sitasmom had a great suggestion for you about adding to price and refunding once spayed/neutered. You can also interview the puppy buyers thoroughly and require references (make one a vet) and/or a home visit as well. That really should weed out a lot of the crappy puppy buyers.

I am so sorry you are so short sighted on this wonderful breed.

Fawn,

Keep your head up! Service dogs are cut from a different cloth and like you said...temperament, temperament, temperament!!

One litter of unregistered puppies bred thoughtfully for a very specific and important purpose isn't the worst thing in the world!

Good luck and please train those future service dogs to the best of your ability!! 

Sara

I can't BELIEVE the responses to this thread!!

WAKE UP, YOU IDIOTS!  WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BREED THAT WAS THE FIRST CHOICE FOR SEEING EYE DOGS FOR DECADES!

If it can no longer do the job of a service dog, it's the fault of breeders who have selected for the WRONG things!

Over the top ball and prey drive should NOT be the sole measure of correct temperament in the GSD! 

Try telling my two Hearing Ear dogs they have the wrong temperament for the job!

Ditto to Sunsilver,  I too have a dog who is my hearing ear service dog.  This breed is supposed to be utilitarian, multi-purpose.  
Now my service dog is also a very fine protection dog, he is very good in bitework AND he is very social and trustworthy with people.  Personally I believe that a GSD should be able to be both a protection dog and very safe and sound in public (how else could they protect?)
But what canine characteristics that work for one person doesn't work for everyone else too. 

 " I would not expect them to do well in any work that will require agressivness"
"Right, because that would require solid genetics and solid, stable nerve."

This rather sounds like a dog who doesn't possess aggression is incapable of having a stable temperament?   So Labradors  and Cavalier CKS who refuse to do bitework are automatically nervy, unsound dogs?  

I do think that protection is part of the total GSD "package" but there are other, more important characteristics to be preserved than this one.  There are many, many, many working line dogs that are the top of the field schutzhund/KNPV/mondioring/etc. that are lacking important GSD characteristics too.  (Such as...many of these extreme high drive dogs are utterly incapable of herding, the REAL origional purpose of the breed.)   One dog that comes to mind is a dog I personally know, an offspring of the famous working dog Hessel, who recently tried to kill a cow and came very close to smashing thru a fence to get at a herd of goats.   A dog with extreme drives, great bitework, good with people and kids but excessively high energy and not particularly biddable.   (speaking of biddable, I can't count how many times I've seen people online who care more about their dogs being high drive, sharp/civil and so "hard" that it takes a very heavy hand and overly-dominant handler to get these dogs to do obedience work.  This breed is supposed to be willing to please it's master!  Not willing to bite it's master's arm off if it didn't like a correction!) 

Like Smiley said, one unregistered litter bred for a specific purpose isn't the worst thing in the world.   I believe the KNPV folks are particularly fond of this kind of thing, even cross-breeding. 
There are other things more important to bash than this. 

Just a couple of questions, what is the OFA results on this female and what health tests have been done?

EuroShepherd

Hate to sound like an ignoramus but  you've just referred to one set of initials that are completely new to me.

What is KPNV please ?
Sorry,  KNPV.