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by Slamdunc on 15 April 2012 - 02:04
ggturner,
thanks!
gosseygsd,
You wrote:
No the breeder isnt world class - certainly not widely known for working dogs though some have SCH titles
If you want to do SchH then you might want to consider a breeder that is known for producing working line dogs. When only some dogs in a working line pedigree have working titles is a concern. I do SchH and raise my working dogs from pups. We both agree that puppies can be a crap shoot, but when you start with dogs in the pedigree that aren't titled you are already behind the 8 ball. Some on here will argue that titles aren't everything, and hips x rays don't matter and dogs don't have to be registered......Blah, blah, blah... A good, ethical working line breeder does these things and breeds to registered, titled, x rayed dogs. The ones who say it isn't important either lack the ability themselves to title or work their dogs; or have dogs that can't pass the various tests or health checks. There is absolutely no reason to breed unregistered, or dogs who are not x rayed.
SchH titles are not everything, but I would only deal with a breeder that works there dogs and competes with dogs from their own breeding. Because, I make a pretty serious commitment to training and working dogs in SchH, I expect the same from a working line breeder. I expect a working line breeder to have knowledge and experience in training, working and competing with their own dogs.
Pm me the pedigree and I will offer some insight if you want.
Where are you located in Canada? There are some excellent working line breeders up there.
thanks!
gosseygsd,
You wrote:
No the breeder isnt world class - certainly not widely known for working dogs though some have SCH titles
If you want to do SchH then you might want to consider a breeder that is known for producing working line dogs. When only some dogs in a working line pedigree have working titles is a concern. I do SchH and raise my working dogs from pups. We both agree that puppies can be a crap shoot, but when you start with dogs in the pedigree that aren't titled you are already behind the 8 ball. Some on here will argue that titles aren't everything, and hips x rays don't matter and dogs don't have to be registered......Blah, blah, blah... A good, ethical working line breeder does these things and breeds to registered, titled, x rayed dogs. The ones who say it isn't important either lack the ability themselves to title or work their dogs; or have dogs that can't pass the various tests or health checks. There is absolutely no reason to breed unregistered, or dogs who are not x rayed.
SchH titles are not everything, but I would only deal with a breeder that works there dogs and competes with dogs from their own breeding. Because, I make a pretty serious commitment to training and working dogs in SchH, I expect the same from a working line breeder. I expect a working line breeder to have knowledge and experience in training, working and competing with their own dogs.
Pm me the pedigree and I will offer some insight if you want.
Where are you located in Canada? There are some excellent working line breeders up there.
by duke1965 on 15 April 2012 - 05:04
funny thing , most of you that are so dead against inbreeding should do some research in the breed history and find out about some of the strong producing dogs that are responsible of the most strong lines in GSD history
all the bullshit stories about getting diseases and so on , a dog is only capable of reproducing the flaws he geneticly carries , so if a dog carries these genetic problems , he will also give it in an outcross combination
to get rid of these genetic flaws the only way is inbreeding , or stick your head in the sand and outcross and hope it never shows up in your next combination , unfortunately it will.
gossey , I think slamdunc can push you in the right direction even though , his description of what is wanted is a bit different than mine
all the bullshit stories about getting diseases and so on , a dog is only capable of reproducing the flaws he geneticly carries , so if a dog carries these genetic problems , he will also give it in an outcross combination
to get rid of these genetic flaws the only way is inbreeding , or stick your head in the sand and outcross and hope it never shows up in your next combination , unfortunately it will.
gossey , I think slamdunc can push you in the right direction even though , his description of what is wanted is a bit different than mine
by Slamdunc on 15 April 2012 - 06:04
Duke,
I think we are on the same wavelength. You would fit my description of a knowledgeable, educated breeder that works his dogs. You keep and work dogs from your breeding and train regularly. I have a lot of respect for you and your dogs.
I think we are on the same wavelength. You would fit my description of a knowledgeable, educated breeder that works his dogs. You keep and work dogs from your breeding and train regularly. I have a lot of respect for you and your dogs.
by duke1965 on 15 April 2012 - 06:04
I know Jim , but I do have several untitled dogs in my pedigrees
by duke1965 on 15 April 2012 - 07:04
for the anti inbreeding people
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=12180
3 times ex v riedstern who is 3 times ali vom granert
5 times greif v felsenstein who is linebred on Rolf osnabruckerland
giving a total of 9 times Ali vom Granert and 10 times Rolf in the pedigree pretty close of Robby Glockeneck
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=12180
3 times ex v riedstern who is 3 times ali vom granert
5 times greif v felsenstein who is linebred on Rolf osnabruckerland
giving a total of 9 times Ali vom Granert and 10 times Rolf in the pedigree pretty close of Robby Glockeneck
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