WANTING TO GO INTO BREEDING - Page 2

well said Margaret n Sitasmom,so true.Carole S.

Wow, very positive help and good advice to this guy.  So now maybe a reality check.

1 Female-
Price for the average titled female from Europe whether work or show.
3000 to 7000 Euro.
Shipping about 600 to 1200 Euro, depending on export city.
Stud fee to top male 800 to 2000 Euro.

Facilities, website, advertising- (re-written this so many times...condensed version)
If your image whether online or in person is poor in any aspect, affluent people wont buy from you.
Facilites need to be nice, clean, and photogenic.
Website and every photo on it needs to be professional.  

Garbage attracts garbage with no money.  Dont look like garbage.

If you do it correctly, your dogs will attract the affluent.  The affluent only like buying from people like them.  What you have to realize is, being affluent usually goes hand in hand with intelligence and good instincts.  They are hard to fool if you are putting on a show.

Good luck, make sure you think it out.

P.S.  If you proceed before you are ready, compromise in any way, you will struggle for a very long time.  You will become one of those people that spends all there time on here bashing dogs that are in the top 10 in the world....every year...because they dont look like your garbage.

Is that too blunt?  Trying to save someone some pain.

live4schutzhund  That made me smile (the bit about the grabage) I generally think everyone has their own ideas and views for the breed so no one is right or wrong in that sense so i doubt i would be bitch for the sake of bitching :) lol

Margaret well it clearly isnt for the money... if it was i would of had my non-kc reg bitch up the duff by now and selling her pups for £250... I did get offered by a Tamaskan breeder to use his stud so i could sell the pups for 500 quid each as wolf-a-like dogs. The fact i declined nicely shows that am not into this for the money. I guess without getting to ahead of myself before i have even found a bitch, I like the idea of puttin my own mini stamp on the breeding world one day but ony time will tell how that one would work out.

Broswer,i can see from your above post n your other thread re hip scoring that u reside in the UK.My advice is to go to as many shows as u can,ideally the regional shows,which are run on german lines where ALL animals over 2 yrs.are hip n elbowed scored with acceptable results for breeding,breed surveyed n have at least a BH or KC.GC.award (bronze).Also breed club ch.shows,then general ch.shows n speak to the top breeders who have been in the breed a long time n HAVE PROVED their worth .You will find the dates/location of the regional shows on the website of the gsd league of gt.britain(GSDL)Breed/general champ.sjow dates can be found on LARATH GSDS website.Hope this info.helps.Carole.S.RHEINMEISTER GSDS.

maybe think about doing breeding at a small scale? Say, starting with 1 female, at some point keeping 1 daughter, never having more than 2 at any point? You will still have to train, play puppy salesman, and get involved overall. By the way, there is a way of registering non-registered dogs, at least in FCI countries. It won't be a pedigreed dog, but it will serve as a form of "ID".

Gusmanda  I think i would never have more than two - three bitches at the same time. I would proberly only breed a bitch when i needed to keep one for myself to carry the line on.

There is loads of good advice here - but can we just go back to the start again for a minute please?  While you are taking the suggested time to watch and learn, can you bear in mind that you really do not want to start breeding before you have decided at least roughly which type of dog you are aiming for.  If you actually know which shape and which abilities you wish to perpetuate, it will help narrow down your choices.  At the moment, you seem to be floundering
around a bit.
Also - re established breeders not wanting to sell good bitches outright to novices.  Surely no
surprise if you think about it. Investigate getting one on Breeding Terms - but be VERY careful,
get everything in writing if you go that route.

 Hi Browser,
  All above have given you very good council
  and many who have walked the road will be wishing
  that they were given all this advice before they started.
 
  I would like to add my regrets and hope you see a clearer path.

  Deside what sport you want to breed for,
  what's the correct type, temperamant  and other traits that is required for it.
  Then sturdy the current winners and their bloodlines.
  In most sports only a few bloodlines or combinations of bloodlines
  and specific dogs produce top quality progeny of the correct type
  and temperamant.
 
  Talk to people, who are producing the excellent dogs
  in your choice of sport be it working,show,herding, search and rescue, etc,
  and get some insite on the genetic virtues and shortcomings
  in the various bloodlines ( you don't want major problems in the puppies
  you intend to produce) and difficulty of breeding excellent dogs for any sport.
  Then select your mentor.

  Go to trails/shows ,see the proformances  and understand,
  why the excellent dogs are graded excellent.
  What traits and quarlities do they have that others don't ?.
 
  Hope that when you have done the above,
  you will begin to see why the very best progeny
  of the very top quality,take over and become the top
  producers of quality dogs in any sport today.
  And hopefully you may be able to contribute to producing
  quality dogs in your choice of sport tomorrow.

  It is very important to invest wisely on quality,
  because that is the level you are starting from.
  With the knowledge gained and right choice of the stud, hopefully
  you will start your journey of becoming a good breeder.

  All the Best

Nah, just jump right in, and know no matter what, you'll make mistakes.  I learned what "type" I really prefered as I went along.  I don't think anyone could be expected to study the book cover to cover before ever even owning a dog.  You need one to train with anyway, to really learn "while doing it".  Then over time, as you are exposed to more dogs in your training group and at trials etc., you realize what characteristics you like in those dogs and what to avoid, what breeding they have in common with each other, the various methods of training that work for you, etc.  Just saying that to some extent, you need to jump in and get your feet wet.  And that goes for the simple practice of breeding as well.  Unless you're whelping, selling and training puppies FOR your "mentor", you have to do what's feasible at the moment, and aspire for improvement.  It took years to realize what kind of dog really liked and wanted to reproduce, and just when I was on the verge of leaving the breed in disgust.

Daryllehret - perhaps if you'd done it more the other way, you'd not have got to the point of being about to 'leave in disgust' ??