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by BlackthornGSD on 01 February 2012 - 19:02
Some of the progeny I have bought from all Schutzhund titled dogs have not been breed worthy IMO, nervy and lack of courage being the biggest issues I've seen. I don't even have to take them off of the property to see it.
Progeny are not the same as parents. If they were, we'd all have world champions. :)
Sometimes the parent alone is fine--maybe a bit sharp, but "well within tolerances" -- that is, very workable and usable and even good or excellent. But when bred, the breeding partner may bring things that you didn't expect and the resulting progeny *do* have problems.
Christine
Progeny are not the same as parents. If they were, we'd all have world champions. :)
Sometimes the parent alone is fine--maybe a bit sharp, but "well within tolerances" -- that is, very workable and usable and even good or excellent. But when bred, the breeding partner may bring things that you didn't expect and the resulting progeny *do* have problems.
Christine
by GSDPACK on 01 February 2012 - 20:02
Going for titles opens up the eyes of the handler/owner of the dog. It is all about accepting the good and bad about the worked animal.
There is no such thing as a superdog! Every dog has some issues and if the handler is not honest about them, they will come and kick him/her in the ass with the next generation.
That is why the first question I always ask when I aquire about a puppy, why the breeding. I like the pedigree of course that is why I called but now TELL ME ABOUT THE DOG! Described to me how your dog deals with stress, new environment and a hard helper, has the dog done muzzle work, suit bites? Tell me how the dog deas with crappy tracking surface and how it changes the approach to the work done. Talk to me how easy or difficult it was for you to teach the dog retrieves...
if you don't have these simple answeres for me, you don't know your dog... I dont care if people get titled animals, but make sure you put your hands on them, meaning, go and get to know them, learn how they work for you and take them herding, to agility, to a club to do some work, maybe even put additional titles on them..... get to know you dog in and out..
There are breeders who employ trainers to either continue with the training or maintain the training and that is the least a good breeder should do! Maintain and/or improve!
There is no such thing as a superdog! Every dog has some issues and if the handler is not honest about them, they will come and kick him/her in the ass with the next generation.
That is why the first question I always ask when I aquire about a puppy, why the breeding. I like the pedigree of course that is why I called but now TELL ME ABOUT THE DOG! Described to me how your dog deals with stress, new environment and a hard helper, has the dog done muzzle work, suit bites? Tell me how the dog deas with crappy tracking surface and how it changes the approach to the work done. Talk to me how easy or difficult it was for you to teach the dog retrieves...
if you don't have these simple answeres for me, you don't know your dog... I dont care if people get titled animals, but make sure you put your hands on them, meaning, go and get to know them, learn how they work for you and take them herding, to agility, to a club to do some work, maybe even put additional titles on them..... get to know you dog in and out..
There are breeders who employ trainers to either continue with the training or maintain the training and that is the least a good breeder should do! Maintain and/or improve!
by judron55 on 01 February 2012 - 21:02
A title is just that...earned or not. While titles show the dedication of the handler...it shows me little about the dog. I want to see the dog at home....on a walk....left in the car...in a dark building...I work to many dogs to let a title influence my opinion on a dog...I know breeders who don't compete in schutzhund that produce excellent dogs. The officers on the street will attest to that.
by workingdogz on 01 February 2012 - 23:02
judron
Therein lies the major difference.
You are out there working dogs almost if not,
daily, and have/are titling dogs,
so it's a little different for someone like yourself
that see's/works so many different dogs.
Therein lies the major difference.
You are out there working dogs almost if not,
daily, and have/are titling dogs,
so it's a little different for someone like yourself
that see's/works so many different dogs.
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