not right kennel?? - Page 2

hello wade,

sorry to hear about your bad luck. at least this puppy is not the product of an undisclosed 11 month old brother/sister breeding. i sure hope this puppy finds a forever home, soon.

cheers

Ok it seems like Sable is upset that the pup doesn't have the last name of z JIRKOVA DVORA but rather has OD ROUBENKY.  This in his eyes diminishes the value of the pup since he is selling it.  If he would have known the dog would have had the name OD ROUBENKY then he probably wouldn't have bought it.

Sable, IMO if you "don't know" who OB ROUBENKY is and have a problem with it, then why get a pup from a female that is from that kennel?  Anyone who really wants a good dog will look at the PED of the dog and not just the last name.  If you are trying to do a fire sale and just get rid of the dogs you have then ok, maybe the last name is a big deal as you can just say, "this is a z jirkova dvora dog so you know its good."  That would be a mistake as not all z jirkova dvora dogs are great.  How is the dogs training?  How is the dog at 7 months?  Most here will agree it is the workability of the dog that means more than the name.  Did you ask about the last name  since it is so important to you?  The way it comes across is that the dog may not be any good and if it had the z Jirkova Dvora you could make more money to sell it but since it doesn't it hurts you as you are trying to unload it.

As for the last name and how Jinopo does breedings, that female isn't listed as a brood bitch on their website, only the male is.  So in turn, Jinopo doesn't own her and the pups from that litter will carry the dam's name b/c she is owned by the OD ROUBENKY kennel.  It makes sense.Jinopo is helping sell the pups and is promoting the breeding as it is their stud and they think it will produce good dogs.  Also Jinopo maybe able to reach more buyers than OD ROUBENKY so it makes sense.  I don't see anything wrong.

I hate to see you upset and riled up about this.  You have spoken nothing but high praises for Jinopo and Hans and now you are calling them every name in the book, which is unfortunate.  I hope cooler heads prevail and you all can find common ground.

ace as chaz said also. i have always liked hans and have stood up for him on every turn. what i don't like is being deceived by anybody, especially someone i hold in high regards.
it is like ace, i use fargo for a stud for a dog at jo blows kennel. you see the pups listed on my website. there is no mention of joe blow being involved in this breeding. you want a mlk dog. you get the papers and the name is not mlk but joe blow. youy gonna like it?? hell no!!!
i trusted jeri as a breeder and wanted his dog, not the litter pick from a breeding to someonelses dog. for a personel dog, someone might say well, he is a good dog and i will keep him regardfless. for a potential brood dog the name goes a long way.
if you have looked at my site over the years you have seen me post other pups for sale. AT ALL TIMES THESE PUPS WERE IDENFIED AS TO THE BREEDER. that is honest buisness.
like i said, i was upset over the ear and all the bs that it curtailed. i have alreadt got 3800 in the dog not counting the 368 vet  bill as the pup had toxicity when i got him. i am not prepared to add more costs to a futile situation. http://www.youtube.com/user/mountainlakekennels1  this shows his ear also

Wade, I really think you're blowing this out of proportion and getting upset needlessly. For your own sake, calm down and think about it from another perspective. Jiri does this ALL THE TIME. I'm sure it didn't even occur to him to clarify what kennel name the pup would bear, as it was disclosed what parents the pup was out of, and he doesn't own the female. Logic then would dictate that the kennel name would be the owner of the dam.

I also don't see how it's deceitful...it was HIS stud, and on HIS website. It's not like he bought a puppy from the farmer down the road and pretended he bred it out of his stock; the puppy was a product of his breeding through the sire. I fail to see how this puppy is somehow of lesser quality because of his last name...as if he's some actor or model or writer or something who needs a specific, catchy name for publicity, lol. I think coming on here and losing your cool is going to do more harm than good. If you got the wrong puppy, I would see your point. But the wrong name (and it's only wrong because you don't like it) is not really grounds to get this upset, imo.

I guess I have never thought about the name of a dog. My kennel name certainly doesn't mean anything to anyone as I've only bred a few litters, but I certainly haven't had a problem selling them. And my foundation bitch doesn't have a big name, but a respected one if someone does their homework, and the bloodlines speak for themselves. I have honestly never once heard of anyone make a comment about a registered name who was serious about dogs and knew which end the leash goes on. One of my best dogs has no kennel name at all! No one has batted an eye about it. So, I really don't think you're going to have a problem getting rid of this poor puppy. If anything, the ear may be an injury or congenital defect, probably not genetic, and his name is not going to be an issue to anyone deserving of him. Just my opinion.

What is toxicity? Do you mean coccidia? If so,  that's very common in times of stress and it shouldn't have cost you that much. I would be more angry with the vet.

you all don't know diddle shit especially you jenn. i wish this to happen to one of you, it doesn't matter guys. you will think different. 
by the way good dog cheap price 1800. now you all take a flying leap and get f---ed.

That is a nice dog, sell him to PD depatment.. this dog it on the table WAY too early but he is holding himself well for a young dog.

The rest I cant help you as I have sold my pick of a litter puppy from my male without my kennel name. However I told people the name of the kennel so I guess I was clear from the beginning.

Good luck

I like the color on that dog.  I do think it is too early for him to be doing box training as he doesn't even want to bite the pillow.

Sable - I hate to see you act this way.  Those comments and you going back and forth on 2 boards doesn't help you and you end up making yourself look crazy.

As a breeder, you should have easily known the last name of the pup.  Im a newbie and knew what the name of the pup was going to be after looking at Jinopo's website.  Sorry your upset and it is disappointing that you have decided to result to name calling and everything else. 

Your pup was Jiri's payment for the stud service I am assuming. The owner of the bitch gave him the pup with a damaged or genetic  ear and he sold it to you. Americans pay a lot more for puppies than others and get the culls many times. Puppies from Czech Republic can be purchased for 300 to 600 over there. Jinopos name adds a big cost to Americans 1000 more lol.If you went to the owner of the bitch you would have paid no more than 600 US for  pup you could pick out. His ear looks damaged but I cannot see it well but if your vet says it is genetic they should replace the pup. Genetic or not a damaged ear on any gsd makes it hard to sell period. All you people on this forum knows this fact is true. Wade will never get his money out of this pup. Czech breeders rarely replace puppies unless you live in Europe and can actually show up. I am sure American customers are laughed at for their stupidity as they pay so much for a puppy. Jiris son owns the shipping company as well. I agree wade you are getting hosed and think you have every right to post your opinion. I would be just as concerned about his working ability after watching the videos.