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by Hedi on 31 July 2011 - 14:07
I do hope she rates out. I would hate to have to start over with a new pup. So far she has been nice to work with and I hope for good things with her. But this is all just part of it. If anyone else has a comment or thought I would love to hear it. Once I get results back I will post them....it may be awhile though...lol. 
by Nans gsd on 31 July 2011 - 17:07
Hedi: you are doing your dog an injustice by sending these in; at least the hips. I do not evaluate elbows. By this xray, your dogs right hip looks too far out of the socket and I do not think this is the case. Are these already sent in; if so, best of luck. Nan
by Preston on 01 August 2011 - 05:08
Yes, hip positioning is not perfect, but the hips are OFA fair IMO and likely SV "a normal".. Give this GSD daily glucosamine/chondroitin supplements mixed in with the dogfood (liquid or tablets), do not over exercise the dog and no extreme jumping until fully mature (keep trim and use the best dog food available) and you will be unlikely to have any problems with hips and certyainly these hips are good enough fo breeding if the rest of the dog surveys KK1 or equivalent. There is NO (as in ZERO) evidence for any dysplasia at all, even mild. These hips are clean. If you are going to submit them and want the best evaluation possible, perhaps have the vet take another, better positioned set. I like to use vets that have a padded back Jig, use no anesthesia, take time to get to know the dog first, and have digital equipment, so their is no development time, and they can transmit Xrays digitally to the OFA and also make film copies for the SV too at the same visit (and they can give you a digital copy on DVD to take home).
Elbows look fine to me (contrast not the greatest). The OFA uses special filters which can show up mild DJD that can't be seen otherwise and such could show as a slight shadow and could be viewed by them as evidence of mild heritable degeneracy. The SV vets do not agree with this generally and rate elbows in three classes, normal, near normal and still acceptable. The anconeal process looks fully united which is normal.
You may find it helpful to go to the OFA website and read what they have published on hips and elbows and view their statistics and drawings.
Elbows look fine to me (contrast not the greatest). The OFA uses special filters which can show up mild DJD that can't be seen otherwise and such could show as a slight shadow and could be viewed by them as evidence of mild heritable degeneracy. The SV vets do not agree with this generally and rate elbows in three classes, normal, near normal and still acceptable. The anconeal process looks fully united which is normal.
You may find it helpful to go to the OFA website and read what they have published on hips and elbows and view their statistics and drawings.
by Hedi on 01 August 2011 - 13:08
Thank you for all of the responses. Here are her sisters films, her owner said it was okay if I posted them to see what eveyone thinks about hers as well.
by burtonbe on 02 August 2011 - 01:08
The first X-rays:
Well formed craniolateral acetabular rim. The norberg angle is >100 degrees, which is normal.
The cranial acetabular margin is tight on both the left and right hip.
The femoral head on the left hip could be rounder. Fovea capitus could be slightly more defined, but is still good. Normal Acetabular notch on both hips.
The Caudal acetabular rim looks normal, although the picture is not good enough to assess the dorsal acetabular margin.
The junction of femoral head to neck, along with the trochanteric fossa look to be well formed.
The second X-Rays:
I won't say anything about these other than there appears to be a significant asymetrical formation of the ilium (the "wing" on the top parts of the pelvis). The sacrum also is asymetrically formed and could be diagnosed as having transitional vertebrae.
This could possibly be part of the reason why the hip positioning is bad. Sometimes it is nearly impossible to get a good position when the pelvis is not symetrically formed. It's a good chance, that as this dog ages, one hip could go bad, leading to unilateral hip displasia.
Check with your vet, OFA, or the SV of course. I would recommend going to a hip xray specialist with the best equipment and expertise in your area for digital xrays.
Well formed craniolateral acetabular rim. The norberg angle is >100 degrees, which is normal.
The cranial acetabular margin is tight on both the left and right hip.
The femoral head on the left hip could be rounder. Fovea capitus could be slightly more defined, but is still good. Normal Acetabular notch on both hips.
The Caudal acetabular rim looks normal, although the picture is not good enough to assess the dorsal acetabular margin.
The junction of femoral head to neck, along with the trochanteric fossa look to be well formed.
The second X-Rays:
I won't say anything about these other than there appears to be a significant asymetrical formation of the ilium (the "wing" on the top parts of the pelvis). The sacrum also is asymetrically formed and could be diagnosed as having transitional vertebrae.
This could possibly be part of the reason why the hip positioning is bad. Sometimes it is nearly impossible to get a good position when the pelvis is not symetrically formed. It's a good chance, that as this dog ages, one hip could go bad, leading to unilateral hip displasia.
Check with your vet, OFA, or the SV of course. I would recommend going to a hip xray specialist with the best equipment and expertise in your area for digital xrays.
by ziegenfarm on 02 August 2011 - 05:08
i will agree with jenn on the fast normal for hips. elbows look okay, shouldn't be a problem there.
good luck. they aren't perfect, but they aren't horrible either.
pjp
good luck. they aren't perfect, but they aren't horrible either.
pjp
by Preston on 04 August 2011 - 03:08
Re the second set of hip Xrays. Positioning is off with the spine manually twisted out of proper positioning by improper method. This Xray is not submittable. In spite of this the hips look clean with no evidence of dysplasia. The elbows look good too, but special filters are needed to examine them for patchiness of mild DJD. The pelvis looks fine to me and the problem is poor positioning and apparently non-digital xray equipment. I would expect "a normal" from an SV approved Vet.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 04 August 2011 - 07:08
Have you found out yet what they decided ?
by Rik on 04 August 2011 - 14:08
hello hedi, elbows are sealed and look ok to me.
as mentioned, poor positioning on hips, with right hip angled towards camera. I think this makes it look a tad more shallow than left, but they still do not look bad to me.
good luck,
Rik
as mentioned, poor positioning on hips, with right hip angled towards camera. I think this makes it look a tad more shallow than left, but they still do not look bad to me.
good luck,
Rik
by Hedi on 04 August 2011 - 17:08
I am still waiting to hear. Any ideas on how long it might take?
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