any ever deal with this breeder? - Page 2

 I have after checking the site today and seeing they stole pictures of my puppies off of my website to link to their new litters page....  Nice Huh !!! Nice site yeah if they didn't steal other peoples dogs to advertise their own. I wonder if they conduct other matters the same way. Of course after I called her she played stupid and the picture has since been removed. ASAP ....busted but a nice try.... Grrrrrrrrr!!

i could have sworn more of them were listed as certified in some way but now i think i only see the one male listed as in training.  based on some of the things mentioned here ( i must say im proud of myself for figuring out what some of the 'coded' messages were ) i think ill keep looking.  not looking seriously now just like to keep my eyes out for any place that seems worth looking into further for when i do want another dog.  thanks for all the input people!

Interesting that nobody has commented on the fact that she is using a 18 month old, untitled male as a stud dog...

"Interesting that nobody has commented on the fact that she is using a 18 month old, untitled male as a stud dog..."

It's more or less a nice puppy mill; what else would you expect?

BMARTIN, TITLES DON'T AMOUNT TO A HILL OF BEANS. IF YOU ARE A SCH PERSON THEN YOU LOOK AT TITLES. IF YOU ARE A POLICE UNIT, MILITARY UNIT, PERSONEL PROTECTION CLIENT, PROPERTY PROTECTION CLIENT, FAMILY PROTECTION, HERDING DOG CLIENT YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE TITLES ,ONLY THAT THE DOG WILL WORK IN THE FIELD THAT THE CLIENT WANTS. THIS IS WHAT A GSD WAS MEANT TO BE. AS THE CAPT. STATED, SPORT IF USED WRONG, AND IT IS, IS DETRIMENTAL TO OUR CAUSE. GSD IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A WORKING DOG. IF MORE PEOPLE  WENT BY THESE GUIDELINES THE GSD WOULD DO A LOT BETTER.

So are we saying that no test is better than one that isn't perfect?

i dont think anyone wants this to become a long annoying thread debating what is moe beneficial to the breed. . . real working dogs or titled dogs.  the question i asked was if they were legitimate working dogs.  i had checked the website a couple months ago and brenna ( apparently not there female ) was listed as a certified narc and a male they used ( also apparently not their dog ) was listed as a SAR dog for the sherrif depart.  as well as a female as training to be a narc, a male training to be SAR, and then a female supposedly getting cloe to being SCHH titled.  i was only curious if they were actually using legitimate sources to certify their working dogs and if anyone actually worked any dogs that had come from this kennel.   it seems now that the way things are listed on their website that most of their own dogs arent certified in anything except OFA checks.  Also, a note i'd like to add is that even if you are doing things right and you have a good reputation ( or none at all ) you should be careful who you are doing business with since most people don't want to deal with the drama that some people cause in their business practices.  whether or not claims people make are true or not it is rarely worth a public fight.

Expressing disagreeing opinions is a healthy sign, being allowed to speak up and express opposite opinion is a precious ability (ask some one from the Middle East).

Ibrahim

i need to work on my internet communicating skills!   debating things to a certain extent is a good thing.  but it can turn into a huge long and drawn out thing and it is a topic that most people except totally new to working dogs in general most people already have an opinion on.  more or less i was trying to bring an end to a new discussion here.  if someone wants to debate a different topic. . . start another thread that way when people like me search for things on the boards its easy to weed through what you want to read and what is just an off topic comment here and there.  ibrahim-  you are one of the few people on here who tends to keep themselves clean and i dont wanna go and offend you.  with the public fighting thing-  i was trying to also explain that in my opinion you just dirty up yourself when you publically argue with people and when you say ( type ) things while too emotional you tend to make yourself look bad.  and i dont think its worth the drama to deal with people that let themselves get drug into mud slinging contests all the time. 

ok... to clarify a little more clearly. . . debating to me is what sable and grossman were starting.  public fighting is what a certain mi breeder was doing on here a while back which was brought to my attention.