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by Gemini on 10 November 2010 - 21:11
Good points Ibrahim. I dont think the orig. poster is saying she is going to compete for international championship but her dog could excel. And excel depends on your goals. Just because the dog is a show dog doesnt mean dont try. And the same for agility no matter how many other dogs are better than the GSD the GSD still shows up. The GSD is not the best at one thing but the best at multiple. The GSD in my opinion is not a working dog but more of a utility dog. And to me that is why you see them excelling at different things. Great looking dogs and excel at what you decide to do with your dog.
Reggie
Reggie
by darylehret on 10 November 2010 - 22:11
Reggie, is English your first language? I don't want to ridicule you, but I can't comprehend your meaning. Does the utlity tool below depict the kind of usefulness we should get from this breed? So functional that it's worthless?!
by Gemini on 10 November 2010 - 22:11
Darylehet you gotta due better than that to ridicule me. I think utility and utility knife have different meanings. Every dog sport exists to show utility. Is that not a correct statment in your opionion? Glad to see you posting again.
Reggie
Reggie
by darylehret on 10 November 2010 - 22:11
"The GSD in my opinion is not a working dog but more of a utility dog."
Start here then, with the difference between work and utitility, please. And how it can be the "best at multiple" if it can't even excel in one thing.
"Great looking dogs and excel at what you decide to do with your dog."
Or do you mean, 'do with your dog what it excels best at?'
Start here then, with the difference between work and utitility, please. And how it can be the "best at multiple" if it can't even excel in one thing.
"Great looking dogs and excel at what you decide to do with your dog."
Or do you mean, 'do with your dog what it excels best at?'
by Gemini on 10 November 2010 - 22:11
Have a good day Darylehet. Married for 11 years dont need another wife. lol. Dont want this to get into a pissing match. You can pm me if you have something directed at me but other than that it is a public forum address the public. Today I am not in the mood the argue maybe another day.
Reggie
Reggie
by Rik on 10 November 2010 - 22:11
hello Phil, I cannot offer any defense or excuse for much of what I find in the s/l dog. There is no excuse for it.
I will, however, present one small example, of what is available for those who care to seek it out. The dog is Jingo Mahlsdofer Grund. Chosen in Germany by a person very experienced in GSD and owned by a first time trainer, very dedicated to Sch. I saw the dog place 2'nd in his first trail. In protection, over several w/l dogs.
There are good s/l dogs if one wishes to pursue them.
Rik
I will, however, present one small example, of what is available for those who care to seek it out. The dog is Jingo Mahlsdofer Grund. Chosen in Germany by a person very experienced in GSD and owned by a first time trainer, very dedicated to Sch. I saw the dog place 2'nd in his first trail. In protection, over several w/l dogs.
There are good s/l dogs if one wishes to pursue them.
Rik
by vonissk on 10 November 2010 - 23:11
My girl that I lost in Marc h, Sadie, was 1/2 showlines and 1/2 workinglines. Her sire was from Hungary and a PA K9. On his paternal line he was a grandson of Uran Wildsteigerland and on his maternal side a grandson of Marko Cellerland. I saw him work on the field during training and he was fantastic. In the litter my girl came out of 2 of the boys became working K9s and one of the other boys was a sport dog. Sadie herself was a firecracker in her day. (litter of 5). So there are showlines that can work. Even tho I am not a showline person. I appreciate any dog that can work and produce...................................
by Gemini on 10 November 2010 - 23:11
But of course showlines will not work like working line dogs. But like the point I think Ibrahim was making these dogs should all have working ability. And the only way that happens is to work them. I would think the working people would like and demand show dogs have working ability. The more they work the more they "can" work.
Reggie
Reggie
by Ibrahim on 10 November 2010 - 23:11
I agree with Rik and Gemini, when I see show line breeders who produce better dogs than the ones overangulated and still they are being criticized by the work enthusiasts and get punished for other's mistakes I say it is unfair and not productive, they are working against the tide in many instances and instead of showing them some appreciation we criticize them and want them to pay for a mistake not their's and yet ask them to breed better dogs as if their own dogs are the bad ones !!!.
Ibrahim
Ibrahim
by darylehret on 11 November 2010 - 00:11
If they're intentions are true to the breed, that's great, but if they're working against the tide, it's by their choice to do so. I'd rather recommend starting with strong working ability, and then diagnose any conformational fitness deficiencies from that point.
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