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by AmbiiGSD on 16 August 2010 - 14:08
Running out of patience with a 9 week old puppy????? You say you got her at 6 weeks old???? 3 weeks????
Sell the pup to someone that has the patience to teach it and buy a goldfish!
Sell the pup to someone that has the patience to teach it and buy a goldfish!
by Jeff Oehlsen on 16 August 2010 - 14:08
I have no idea what people are thinking in this thread. How old is this kid ? The only way I can even imagine this would work is to keep them separate until the dog is older, maybe 10 months. This pup, according to people who have posted should be punished for playing with a kid that shakes and looks like he is trying to play when he is not. This is a situation that your breeder should have told you would have been a problem. It is a bad situation you have put them both in.
by AmbiiGSD on 16 August 2010 - 14:08
I think I'm with Jeff on this, yes I'm being harsh, but I think in the situation any puppy is going to be a bad idea.
An older dog of a more sedate breed, lab, golden something that is going to be a cuddle butt from the start, and has been raised around kids and knows how to behave and control itself.
That 'Running out of patience' comment really narked me!
An older dog of a more sedate breed, lab, golden something that is going to be a cuddle butt from the start, and has been raised around kids and knows how to behave and control itself.
That 'Running out of patience' comment really narked me!
by ShadyLady on 16 August 2010 - 15:08
Your puppy needs to have something to do. Sounds like she has too much drive for your situation and tolerance. If you want a dog, a calm, mellow breed would be a good idea and probably not a young puppy anyway.
by TingiesandTails on 16 August 2010 - 15:08
To get a 6 week old puppy, who would still be in the process of weaning was not a good idea. However, you made it through 3 weeks and puppies up to about 4/6 months are a lot of work!
People suggesting to give your puppy away have either no experience in puppy rearing or no patience with puppies or children, or only keep their dogs in kennels.
To suggest to get a lab or retriever (both hunting dogs) is a bad idea because they are also very easily excitable breeds...
You must have a lot of patience because you didn't give up yet and you probably have experience with strict rules and limitations with your child.
It is important to watch your dog and child closely whenever they are together in one room and dicipline your puppy consequently when she gets to harsh.
Some puppies stop nipping (which is normal puppy behaviour) when you slightly correct them with touch, others, especially driven working lines need stronger correction (use leash tug or your hand in her neck like dog parents do) when the first slight correction was not successful. Never leave your puppy and child unattended and consistently use correction and praise as soon as unwanted behaviour stops. Consulting a trainer will give you more confidence and help to follow through.
Avoid tug games for now.
Good luck!
People suggesting to give your puppy away have either no experience in puppy rearing or no patience with puppies or children, or only keep their dogs in kennels.
To suggest to get a lab or retriever (both hunting dogs) is a bad idea because they are also very easily excitable breeds...
You must have a lot of patience because you didn't give up yet and you probably have experience with strict rules and limitations with your child.
It is important to watch your dog and child closely whenever they are together in one room and dicipline your puppy consequently when she gets to harsh.
Some puppies stop nipping (which is normal puppy behaviour) when you slightly correct them with touch, others, especially driven working lines need stronger correction (use leash tug or your hand in her neck like dog parents do) when the first slight correction was not successful. Never leave your puppy and child unattended and consistently use correction and praise as soon as unwanted behaviour stops. Consulting a trainer will give you more confidence and help to follow through.
Avoid tug games for now.
Good luck!
by Abby Normal on 16 August 2010 - 15:08
Totally agree with Jeff on this too. It is a bad situation that you have put them both in.
I think it is inevitable that the loser here will eventually be the puppy. With the best will in the world the next several months will be a challenge, even without a child with CP, and that would apply to any breed of puppy. I fear that what could happen would be that the puppy is confined more and more, as every interaction with your son will become more and more fraught, especially as she dramatically increases in size and energy, if left awhile it will be so much harder for her to find a new home. It would be better to acknowledge if you have made a mistake now rather than later for all concerned.
If it were me, I would take her back to her breeder now, while she still has the chance to find another home, as a very young puppy will be much easier to place.
I think a dog would be of great benefit to your son, but perhaps you need to look at a more suitable age group (perhaps even 3 or 4) and perhaps a different breed. Shelters are full of them, many who are used to and happy living with children.
BTW I didn't understand from your first post exactly what a non-breeder is?
I think it is inevitable that the loser here will eventually be the puppy. With the best will in the world the next several months will be a challenge, even without a child with CP, and that would apply to any breed of puppy. I fear that what could happen would be that the puppy is confined more and more, as every interaction with your son will become more and more fraught, especially as she dramatically increases in size and energy, if left awhile it will be so much harder for her to find a new home. It would be better to acknowledge if you have made a mistake now rather than later for all concerned.
If it were me, I would take her back to her breeder now, while she still has the chance to find another home, as a very young puppy will be much easier to place.
I think a dog would be of great benefit to your son, but perhaps you need to look at a more suitable age group (perhaps even 3 or 4) and perhaps a different breed. Shelters are full of them, many who are used to and happy living with children.
BTW I didn't understand from your first post exactly what a non-breeder is?
by SitasMom on 17 August 2010 - 01:08
sell the puppy and put the money towards a trained adult or a partially trained 8 to 10 month old puppy.
by windwalker18 on 17 August 2010 - 04:08
Contact the breeder first and see about returning the pup... IF they're a responsible breeder they'll appreciate your honesty that the baby's drive is too strong for your household and will place her in a better situation. A lot of strong working pups go thru a bite you stage. We did with Ike. Had to ban all biting of any flesh... no wrestling etc.. We did incorporate tuggies which he loved and it saved our hands and arms.
I knew what I was bargaining for with a top working line puppy... a lot of buyers don't though. A friend of mine got a pup who was high drive and nervy and wasn't able to handle him. It worked out badly, and the breeder's only comment was "Oh yeah, there were a couple o' pups like that from her 1st litter... I think they got put down.................." He's repeated that breeding several times btw... *grrrrr*
One thing with correcting the pup is not to loose your temper. Scruffing her (Grabbing her by the scruff and removing her from the area for a time out of 5-10 min) might do the trick, but you'll have to be on duty 24-7 and NEVER allow her to bite. A very Stern NO BAD>>> BAD!! as you remove her. You also have to stop all biting games with her yourself. She shouldn't be expected to differentiate between biting you and biting your son.... If it's just normal puppy play you can correct it, if it's a Working line HIGH DRIVE pup it might test your skills and resolve. Be sure she's got a stuffed Kong or marrow bone to gnaw on as an allowed object... and good luck
I knew what I was bargaining for with a top working line puppy... a lot of buyers don't though. A friend of mine got a pup who was high drive and nervy and wasn't able to handle him. It worked out badly, and the breeder's only comment was "Oh yeah, there were a couple o' pups like that from her 1st litter... I think they got put down.................." He's repeated that breeding several times btw... *grrrrr*
One thing with correcting the pup is not to loose your temper. Scruffing her (Grabbing her by the scruff and removing her from the area for a time out of 5-10 min) might do the trick, but you'll have to be on duty 24-7 and NEVER allow her to bite. A very Stern NO BAD>>> BAD!! as you remove her. You also have to stop all biting games with her yourself. She shouldn't be expected to differentiate between biting you and biting your son.... If it's just normal puppy play you can correct it, if it's a Working line HIGH DRIVE pup it might test your skills and resolve. Be sure she's got a stuffed Kong or marrow bone to gnaw on as an allowed object... and good luck
by Kimmelot on 18 August 2010 - 16:08
I aggree with Windwalker ..
One thing I am not seeing is this.. Your son if able should be handing your puppy treats to still remain friends .. all the constant corrections is going to make your puppy think that your SON is a bad thing. Supervision is key.. a little leash correction is not going to shock a puppy enough to stop it from biting or playing - and it COULD cause it to up in aggression.. Grab him by the cheek and shake him till he squeels... allow the pup to go back to your son for a treat.. but ALWAYS expect him to be sitting while getting his treat.. Puppies that realize that they CAN make you happy by doing something you like are quicker to learn manners.
Teaching a puppy to sit is simple, and even at 7 weeks old most of mine are sitting for cheese or a treat.. they learn quick. You start by holding the cheese ( tiny peices not meal size) over there head , and you allow the puppy to jump , turn around, sniff etc .. they will get fustrated and then "sit" and look at you.. give the treat... the puppy will usualy immediatly start the same proccess over agian, jump , sniff .. then Sit - you give treat .. and its a " Ah ha !! " Momment for the puppy.. they just figured out that sitting is what makes you happy enough to give the treat. Practice in short sessions, and then put him outside to think. After getting it right a few times then have your son practice if you can ( maybe holding his hands for him), and be prepaired to correct the puppy if he does start the biting agian. But as I said before, you do not want to associate the correction with your son, you want him to know that he is forgiven as soon as he stops, and try the trick agian.
One thing I am not seeing is this.. Your son if able should be handing your puppy treats to still remain friends .. all the constant corrections is going to make your puppy think that your SON is a bad thing. Supervision is key.. a little leash correction is not going to shock a puppy enough to stop it from biting or playing - and it COULD cause it to up in aggression.. Grab him by the cheek and shake him till he squeels... allow the pup to go back to your son for a treat.. but ALWAYS expect him to be sitting while getting his treat.. Puppies that realize that they CAN make you happy by doing something you like are quicker to learn manners.
Teaching a puppy to sit is simple, and even at 7 weeks old most of mine are sitting for cheese or a treat.. they learn quick. You start by holding the cheese ( tiny peices not meal size) over there head , and you allow the puppy to jump , turn around, sniff etc .. they will get fustrated and then "sit" and look at you.. give the treat... the puppy will usualy immediatly start the same proccess over agian, jump , sniff .. then Sit - you give treat .. and its a " Ah ha !! " Momment for the puppy.. they just figured out that sitting is what makes you happy enough to give the treat. Practice in short sessions, and then put him outside to think. After getting it right a few times then have your son practice if you can ( maybe holding his hands for him), and be prepaired to correct the puppy if he does start the biting agian. But as I said before, you do not want to associate the correction with your son, you want him to know that he is forgiven as soon as he stops, and try the trick agian.
by Ace952 on 18 August 2010 - 17:08
Damn all these people talking about giving up. Sheesh
Beate...Im sure you can find a good trainer out there. Try put an ad in the classifieds section here on PD looking for a trainer in your area to help your search as well.
Im sure this can be worked on without "giving up". I agree you need to watch more closely and seek some help. Hey you have a kid with CP and you don't want to teach them to "give up".
Good luck and keep us posted on what happens!
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