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Kosta, the average price for a working-line pup from good lines will cost anywhere from 1000 to 2000 dollars plus shipping. Finding a police/sch prospect from a puppy is not your best bet. It is always a risk to buy a pup as far as what the future holds. A young pup can show great potential then peter out as it ages. Buying a green dog 12-18 months old is a better option. You can actually see what you are buying and know alot more about the hips and elbows at that age. I have seen a couple of Zidane progeny from a couple different dams and they are doing very well in their training. I'm very impress with the females Zidane has produced. If you are interested in Zidane progeny. Take a look at photos and videos here http://www.alabamak9.com/site/id117.html http://www.alabamak9.com/site/id90.html http://users.pandora.be/daelenberghutte/index2.htm click our dogs look for Jacky vom Steinigen Morgen. http://www.griselda.de/hutch1.htm http://www.vandebiezenhoeve.com/e/index.htm look for Hasko von der Mohnwiese. Tracy

thank you wscott. i've learned through mistakes... always getting 8 week old pups with very good pedigrees (mink, fero, orry, yoschi... and blah blah, blah) all of them have turned soft, not what i would describe 100% confidence; either a lot of prey with weak nerves, intelligence without aggression and mid-drives... one thing i've learned is whatever you dont' like in a pup when young, it usually stays; not sure if you agree... thank you for the personal email alabamak9; do you have a website? these two pups you mentioned, who are they from?

It's amazing how so many rumors come up when a good dog enters the states. It's a good thing Marlene is very open to answer these questions to separate fact from fiction. To my knowledge, the myth on the hips are incorrect. I checked on the older progeny born in Europe before recommending Zidane and wanting to use him myself. The pups born in the states are probably too young now for official OFA Marlene maybe you want to step in and elaborate on that

thank you for the links Trace755; i looked at them and the progeny looks very nice. The name JONathan RIchard was behind one of those dogs; he is bad news; I spoke to him once in the past and he sounded offensive; soon after i remember his name was posted in this website where he was being the object of accusations; he appears in a german website you included in your post but he was here in the states back then the video in alabamak9.com was impressive!

I had a litter of puppies sired by Zidane, which are now 8 months old. All were females. The drives of all are high. Two, perhaps three, the drives are absolutely over the top. If I play with a tug, a ball, a stick, it doesn't matter, as soon as I pick something up, the puppy is all over me. The bites are all hard. The only way I can end the game is to throw the toy up on the roof. All love people, temperments are excellent. However, these dogs are a handful. One of my pups, (and one I sold to another man) backed down dogs twice their size. They are definitely dominant. I cannot give Zidane all the credit however. My female I bred is a very good alpha type bitch. My one regret is that I did not get a male I was hoping for.

The odds are against any one puppy meeting expectations. Look at the few dogs that do meet expectations, and then think about all of the puppies born during that same time. So the odds are against any dog meeting high expectations. That said, the odds improve a lot when the parents have meet high expectations. The odds improve even more when a puppy is showing the traits that I saw last week, are from such parents. But still the odds are long. The only way to get a sure thing is to buy a dog that has already proven himself on the field. Then you can add another zero behind the puppy figures and multiply by 2 or 3. This is the risk of buying a puppy. For me I would prefer to take that risk. I prefer to make all of the screw ups on my dogs myself.

We checked his hip production at the big keenels breeding to him before we got Zidane all had no complaints. I am sure he will have some dogs with bad hips after 37 breedings in Europe but so far excellent on the prelims we have taken. Marlene

Very good dog, this dog should be used for breeding. Some bad hips/elbows, but it's ok.

bpworks, can you name dogs out of Zidane with bad hips and elbows? Or is it that you want there to be dogs out of him with bad hips and elbows? That was a pretty petty comment on your part.

I met Pete and Zidane when he was here for the S.E Regionals. He trained with Alex and our group leading up to the trial. Very nice dog in the bitework. Powerful into the helper and in the grip. Love his motherline Randa vom Haus sevens. Not a magbert fan!! I think Orry does best through Querry & Qinto and also through the motherline many times. Zidane is still young and it is still yet to be seen how he will produce himself best. Gotta love a motherline that produces over and over National Level and World level competitors with different stud dogs!! Randa IMO is the Key...... Best Regards, Dennis Johnson