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by joanro on 03 April 2012 - 17:04
Sorry, Ruger, but I read your post as: "Since the time Prince was a puppy it has been our routine that before both meals he has to do a small bit of OB and than wait until being released to eat." that doesn't say anything about as he matured or incorporating OB. So, as you can see, it was the statement it the first post I was commenting on. May be you misspoke or didn't remember when you started the control for meals. Control and OB in older pup for it's meals is very different than in a very young pup.
by joanro on 03 April 2012 - 17:04
By the way, I don't see anything "fun" in a small puppy having to "wait until released" for it's food.
If that isn't what you did, then maybe you need to clarify your original post. Feed 'em. They can train at a different time when they're just little puppies.
by Ruger1 on 03 April 2012 - 17:04
Bob,,That made me laugh, but I could never do that to Prince,,he might starve..;)
LARHAGE,,Yes, I know that look you are describing..lol..:)
Wiseguy,, Routine = Habit...It has always been our habit,,:) That is what I meant.. I see what you mean about the use of the word in that comment. When I am not busy I take the time to stimulate Prince with a small bit of OB. He gets excited and very motivated for the reward (food)..When I am in a rush I do not take that time and he becomes confused about whether he has earned his food..That is the way it looks anyway...)
joanro,,,lol..Ok, let me clarify..When Prince was a very young puppy say from 8 -10 weeks old he would be expected to be still long enough to make eye contact. That was a reasonable expectation for Prince at that age..As he matured my expectation for him changed accordingly. When I used the term OB it was not meant to suggest formal OB routines. Also, I see you added another post. Let me clarify that as well. I assumed <oops< that it was a given that I did not expect a puppy (8 weeks old ) to down and wait to be released. I would expect a pup at about 12 weeks old to settle and be still. I mean this in the most humble way, but if my memory serves me correctly Prince was able to down and wait at about 12 weeks old. He was an outstanding little guy..;).. I hope I have made my point more clear for you....:)
LARHAGE,,Yes, I know that look you are describing..lol..:)
Wiseguy,, Routine = Habit...It has always been our habit,,:) That is what I meant.. I see what you mean about the use of the word in that comment. When I am not busy I take the time to stimulate Prince with a small bit of OB. He gets excited and very motivated for the reward (food)..When I am in a rush I do not take that time and he becomes confused about whether he has earned his food..That is the way it looks anyway...)
joanro,,,lol..Ok, let me clarify..When Prince was a very young puppy say from 8 -10 weeks old he would be expected to be still long enough to make eye contact. That was a reasonable expectation for Prince at that age..As he matured my expectation for him changed accordingly. When I used the term OB it was not meant to suggest formal OB routines. Also, I see you added another post. Let me clarify that as well. I assumed <oops< that it was a given that I did not expect a puppy (8 weeks old ) to down and wait to be released. I would expect a pup at about 12 weeks old to settle and be still. I mean this in the most humble way, but if my memory serves me correctly Prince was able to down and wait at about 12 weeks old. He was an outstanding little guy..;).. I hope I have made my point more clear for you....:)
by hexe on 03 April 2012 - 17:04
"By the way, I don't see anything "fun" in a small puppy having to "wait until released" for it's food. If that isn't what you did, then maybe you need to clarify your original post. Feed 'em. They can train at a different time when they're just little puppies."
Bullshit. Everything in life is a learning experience, and everything in life is a training opportunity.
"Horses for courses," as the saying goes. For most dogs, it's perfectly OK for their owner to be the food-vending machine two or three times daily, and those dogs don't take advantage of it, or the personality of their owner is such that mealtime doesn't need to be something that's earned by the dog. For some dogs, however, making them work for everything they get, save for air and water, is the difference between that dog losing it's life for being too pushy, too dominant and/or too aggressive when it doesn't get its way. And yeah, yeah, yeah, YOU don't NEED to 'control' your dog's meals, YOU are enough of a force of nature that your dogs would never consider you to be an impotent leader or think they don't have to follow any rules. Good on 'ya. Not everyone is so blessed, and I'd rather see someone establish a 'work for food' protocol if it helps them in training their dog to be a well-balanced, well-socialized and handler-responsive animal than have folks afraid that they're being 'mean' by requiring the dog to sit, etc., before placing their food down.
Keeeee-rice-a-roni, the San Francisco treat! Talk about taking the wind out of someone's sails for no f****g good reason!
Ruger, *I* got what your point was, including the little 'rush' you got when you figured out what was going on with Prince--it's always a rush when you can decode a communication that's been transmitted to you in a foreign 'language'...brings you one step closer to becoming fluent in 'doggish', as Stanley Coren refers to it. It's also pretty cool when your dog shows you that he finds, as the breed's father put it, "...joy in the work...", too!
Bullshit. Everything in life is a learning experience, and everything in life is a training opportunity.
"Horses for courses," as the saying goes. For most dogs, it's perfectly OK for their owner to be the food-vending machine two or three times daily, and those dogs don't take advantage of it, or the personality of their owner is such that mealtime doesn't need to be something that's earned by the dog. For some dogs, however, making them work for everything they get, save for air and water, is the difference between that dog losing it's life for being too pushy, too dominant and/or too aggressive when it doesn't get its way. And yeah, yeah, yeah, YOU don't NEED to 'control' your dog's meals, YOU are enough of a force of nature that your dogs would never consider you to be an impotent leader or think they don't have to follow any rules. Good on 'ya. Not everyone is so blessed, and I'd rather see someone establish a 'work for food' protocol if it helps them in training their dog to be a well-balanced, well-socialized and handler-responsive animal than have folks afraid that they're being 'mean' by requiring the dog to sit, etc., before placing their food down.
Keeeee-rice-a-roni, the San Francisco treat! Talk about taking the wind out of someone's sails for no f****g good reason!
Ruger, *I* got what your point was, including the little 'rush' you got when you figured out what was going on with Prince--it's always a rush when you can decode a communication that's been transmitted to you in a foreign 'language'...brings you one step closer to becoming fluent in 'doggish', as Stanley Coren refers to it. It's also pretty cool when your dog shows you that he finds, as the breed's father put it, "...joy in the work...", too!
by Ruger1 on 03 April 2012 - 18:04
hexe,,,Thank you!!,,You understood exactly!!..;) yes, joy in the work..:)
by Kalibeck on 03 April 2012 - 23:04
Hexe, well articulated! You put words to what I was thinking as I read this thread. Nothing in life is free, & some dogs need to work within that frame. What a wonderful feeling when your dog looks to you for direction before even the most simple acts. That is not just joy in the work, but partnership...."I look to You in all I do"....& for a strong dog like Prince that is awesome, a real accomplishment. Kudos, Ruger1. jackie harris
by joanro on 04 April 2012 - 01:04
Hexe, with getting into a cusing contest, you facetiously said people can be vending food machines for their dogs. I get your point and agree that a DOG should not ever be on well fair unless it happens to be dying. BUT, the op said since they brought the PUPPY home they have made him work for his meal. All you people going ape shit over my post seem to be missing the point that the regime obviously didn't work because the now two year old dog has issues. So, y'all do your thing and twist things around to suit your feel good quotes.
by beetree on 04 April 2012 - 01:04
Oh come on Joanro, a two year old dog can have whatever issues he wants without consistancy. That seems more the point. It is an observation really, not an issue what Ruger1 is talking about. What's wrong with everyone feeling good, if there is a way?
by Ruger1 on 04 April 2012 - 01:04
Kalibeck,,,Thanks Jackie..:)
joanro,, Really??..
Honestly, You are twisting my words and have completely misunderstood the situation ..,Those who know of me and my male Prince understand exactly what was meant by my comment..My male might have issues, lol, but they have nothing to do with doing a bit of OB before receiving his meal..lol..;) Also, there is not an issue. I have figured out what the issue was..Done and end of story..:) It's a happy ending..
by Ruger1 on 04 April 2012 - 01:04
Beetree..:)
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