Workinglines vs Showlines - Page 19

Duke - your comment "a showline dog with passing scores is celebrated and bred till she dies" is simply not true.  In my case I usually had the first litter just a few months after the female was two years old.  After that I took no more than two litters maximum.  The female was then passed to a pet home around 5 years of age and retired from breeding.  A few were bought but some were given to suitable homes free of charge.  I do know some othere who do more or less the same.

Mackenzie

Mac, rules, interpretations, intentions etc are different in europe and USA as well

also to say there are showdogs behind workinglines is besides the truth, those were dogs from before there was separation, none of todays auslese dogs are in workingdogs pedigrees

also to post videos of showline dogs from 60ties an 70ties  is not doing any justice to todays situation

Thank God show GSDs are unaware of those posts

Hired dog - You are right on all counts.   Don't forget that not all show dogs that appear in the working dog bloodlines are VA dogs.  VA just makes then easily visible.

Mackenzie

Those dogs Hired Dog talks about and describes are really worth admiring especially as they help keep the streets clean and make crime less. But are those dogs good and fit as companions?! Can an ordinary dog lover own one?

Just a reminder, a GSD is supposed to do all sorts of work, but also should be good as a companion. Is there a conflict here?!

This also brings a thought to the mind, maybe the breed became softer because we ourselves have become softer !!!

I bred a workingline to showline combination once , produced a IPO 3 FH2  dog, she even competed in some regional championships and is now leading a dutch national trackingcompetition

is this rule or exeption, I believe exeption as I used a strong showlinefemale and only one pup worked out

this is the littermate from that female I used, again, I kept it at that one try and not without reason

Ibrahim, good policedogs are fit for companiondogs as well it is a fable that strong workingdogs are not social or cant be familydogs

Duke, do the show line a favor and tell us where we can find a strong show pup/adult strain !!!

It´s still workinglines/showlines....and the beat goes on.............................

Okay, out of my experience ( that said it´s just what I observed, no proven rule ) at least within my country the vast majority of workingline breeders is breeding for "prey" and the vast majority of showline breeders is breeding for "gaits", almost none of them, neither show nor work, are interested in aggression and civil drives for years.

Workingline breeders are not interested, because "prey drive" only is goood enough for 300 points, civil means trouble - a lot of dogs are plain crazy.
Showline breeders are not interested in civil drives, because they don´t need any trouble while showing their dogs - a lot of dogs are plain lazy.

As a show handler I know, that a lot of workinglines lack efficiency in their gaits, they are willing, but ineffective ( and that´s a fact ).
On the other side a lot of showlines are not stable in the rear, they are not able to jump or "sprint" any more ( that´s a fact, too ).
Dogs afraid of their own shadow I found in both lines-no difference.

The perfect dog? None of them.
You either need to look for a workingline breeder who cares about conformation and lower prey drive, or you need to look for a showline breeder who does the same, in itself no real difference...

But I love civil dogs - Interestingly I found "civil aggression" mostly left in some showlines, and that´s where I still recruit my dogs from ( I´m talking about civil drives, not about fearbiters or insecure dogs ), but I tend to look at the parents during training ( I´m not intersted in the result, but in the beginning and in the progress ).