not right kennel?? - Page 19

"Prager
I know full well that the kennel name is from the Dam of the Pups it is no different than over here.
But the fact is this person Wade supposing bought a Dog from a Breeder and i guess his Male was the Father of the Pup but the female belonged to another kennel who used the male to serve his bitch But this Wade Guy buying the Pup should have been told that his Pup was bred by another Kennel but with the male of his choice,
Before the Pup was paid for,"

 
No the idiot who bought the pup should have wanted to see the pedigree of the pup he was forking over money to purchase, and if this guy Wade was suppossedly a "kennel" he knows damn well how kennel names and pedigrees work.

Especially when you are dealing with people who speak another language, you need to have the "brains" to cover your own ass, ask the right questions and don't assume anything. So I'll agree with Jenn...again and say be responsible for your own actions/stupidity. As far as the ear, that video showed nothing, it was old video and not focused on the dogs ear. If this ear is so horrible, it should be no hard thing to get a few shots of it at different angles as proof, and as others have said, give it time to fix itself. 5 mos can be a horrible time for ears with puppy teeth falling out and all at that age.

 "Look at the posts on here of new pups.  First thing anyone asks, is what is the pedigree.   Why?  because you are banking on the fact that the well known dog in the pedigree is going to throw the desirable genes to your pup of course.  The only time pedigree isn't as important is when it is an older dog and you can actually see it work. 

With the internet though, we put our faith in pedigree when buying a pup.  Obviously you cannot buy it because of how it works. If it comes from a well known kennel known for breeding great dogs, up goes the price some more. and people pay more BECAUSE of the kennel name. 
 How can anyone argue this isn't so?"  


I don't know about everyone else but I'm looking at the idividual dogs in the pedigree and how they match, what they tended to produce, health issues, not the kennel name itself.



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RS I could go on and on about your posts, I'm glad you pointed out so well, just how unexperienced you are to dogs. No breeder pays for shipping of a pup unless it's included in the price. They may find it in their heart to pay for shipping back in rare cases but I seriously doubt any from another country would take it in the ass like that. It's cheaper to let a person just keep the dog/pup and send another, rather than to ship the old one back and refund or still ship another pup. Find me a contract that says otherwise. We are dealing with living breathing animals here, they don't come with self return shipping postage like some Govt paperwork you can fill out and slip back into the mailbox. Shipping prices go up as the dog grows. 

Who doesn't lose money on dogs? I have had a couple pups not workout, should I expect a full refund of my vets bills, shipping, feed and supplies and time spent on training and fuel, maybe even miles on my car wasted on a pup that didn't work out? This is where we have to get real, life is full of this kind of no guarantee stuff. You might pay for your kids college, doesn't mean they will get a degree! If your not willing to take chances, stay at home in bed with the covers up over your nose.

Jesus, I'm still not finished catching up on this thread, I almost wish I never opened it. This is one of the top most retarded threads ever. I'd expect this kind of crying from a newbie dipshit who didn't know squat, but a "breeder" who didn't check out the ped on a dog BEFORE he purchased it? GMAFB

"The Buyer should be TOLD prior to paying any money or Balance that the Puppy they are getting comes from an outside Kennel in the Group."

This shit swings both ways. If the purchaser was SO concerned with kennel name, he should have told the seller he only wanted a pup with Jinopo or whoever as the kennel name. Why is the breeder at fault and no accountability on the buyers ignorance? This is why the Feds want to hold our hands on every damn decision we make, because people are REALLY too stupid to make the "right" ones themselves apparently!

The seller discloses his practices on his webpage, does he really need to "remind" every purchaser of these facts? It is out there for all to read. If you don;t read and/or understand, your the idiot, be mad at yourself and make sure you don't make that same mistake in life again.
 

"Past results of our breedings are not indicative of future performance, and certain information in this ad contains certain forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties common to living, growing creatures.  You should only purchase an immature dog if you are willing to accept certain risks.  Dog breeding and/or buying is extremely risky . You should be prepared to lose all of the funds that you invest in a purchased dog, plus additional expenses. In particular, you should not fund dog breeding and/or buying activities with retirement savings, student loans, second mortgages, emergency funds, funds set aside for purposes such as education or home ownership, or funds required for current income to meet your living expenses."

LMAO this is the best idea ever. Put in small print with the TV commercial guys voice saying it at 250 wpm.

I guess I've been in the dark to long, but I'm like Steve on this one. I have never had a contract on any dog, or have I ever needed or wanted one. I have never had one or given one. I would never get a dog from someone I didn't know or at least trusted.

If I was going to use a outside stud dog, I know exactly where I would go, If I was looking  to add a young dog to my kennel I know exactly where I would go. I would not be interested in a  guarantee, contract or anything other than shipping date. The reason is because of the relationship I have with the people that I deal with, and there are only a few.

Some people on here have said you buy a dog not a kennel name. In some cases that may be. If you are looking for breeding potential, then you have to look at the breeder, and more importantly the reputation of the breeders ability to mate and select dogs that have been proven to meet the standard that the breeder has become known for. In other words dogs that best represents the mans vision of what a real working dog should be.

There are breeders that are well known and have had a few good dogs, that have been able to make a good living for years based only on there ability to train, campaign, and market these dogs around the world that people have flocked to for offsprings from there kennel based solely on great photos and there marketing skills second to none. In the last few years the classifieds have been swamped with these dogs bred by these and a few other kennels. Alot of the reason and some of the problem is with the purchasers of the dogs either because of pride or kennel blindness aren't being honest about what they recieved. And when asked they will say the dog is great when in reality it is just a dog that ain't worth 15 cents and won't admit it. So it's a 2 way street. Thats why there are so many weak nerve, not to breed standard dogs around. It's all about integrity both seller and buyer.

 All the education in the world, does not make you a good source of information about dogs, horses or any other topic. It just means you know the proper way to convey it. You could start with the original pairs of dogs that have produced legends and if you don't have good eye and vision of what a good dog is you would after the first mating end up with junk. And the worst part would be most would not admit it. Hank

This thread is kind of like a train wreck you don't wanna look but you know you are gonna.  I was going to comment on a few things people seem to be arguing about that I had thought had already been established.  However that then goes back to arguing whose fault this all is.  IMO this situation is past that. Things blow up in life, people get screwed ..... It just happens, so when it happens you can sit around and complain about it looking for someone to blame or you can figure out how to fix it.  You aren't going to change the fact that the ear didn't come up, nor can you change the kennel name of the dog.  Wade I don't know you, I'm sorry you are having health problems, I'm very sorry you have to get out of dogs, I'm sure that is very hard.  But since you are getting out of dogs, how exactly is it you want the dog world to remember you? Because right or wrong the last impression is probably going to be how they do. Maybe you should cut your losses figure out what you have to do to make the situation better for yourself and start going in that direction. 

by michael49 on 01 September 2011 - 02:09

michael49 Posts: 36 Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 04:40 pm

Ace, you need to click Wades screen name and read the other threads he posted and what he had to say in each one.After you have read the guarentee of dogs thread and the eurosport k9 and alpine k9 threads click on the Fargo ad in the ads sent section, read the line right above Fargos picture. I believe you'll have the answer to your question. As to who's being honest about this, you'll have to make that decision for yourself.

Ok I saw them.  I didn't realize there were additional threads on this.  Obviously Wade is hurt and wants soemone to se ehis point of view and wants to complain and he has every right.  We can say there was some miscommunication on both sides.

Wade wants $1800+ shipping to get rid of the "Jinopo kennels" (as he called it) pup.  Ironic in that you have said numerous times it isn't a Jinopo dog and didn't come from their kennel but in the classified posting you NOW say it is a dog from "Jinopo Kennels".  Which one is it????

Did Hans turn down buying the dog for $1800?  Wade I know you say that no one will buy that pup but you at LEAST have to advertise it the right way.  Having a single line about the dog under the Fargo Mariko posting in the classified's isn't a effective way to sell that dog.  How about a seperate posting with a good description along with a video or 2 and some pictures?  Are you not doing that just to further say you can't sell the dog?

Yellow Rose,

 I looked at the video again and i do not see a twisted ear. Put up some picks so i can look again.

4pack, they maybe don't but they should.  I don't do contracts, so it doesn't affect me one bit, and maybe that is why I am not 'up' on all the sh!t that goes with it.

In any other walk of life, if the fault lies with you, you are the one that should fix it.  That is just the right thing to do.

BTW, the rolled ear is quite easy to see.  Would you buy a dog for that price and be happy with a faulty ear?
We criticise the SL folk for not caring about the workability, well, sorry, the standard is the standard.  I don't care if it is a working dog or not, structure is still important also before a dog should be bred.

You guys preach how silly Wade is being out of one side of your mouth, but I've read your posts, and I know how fussy you are when it comes to how your dogs look.  Fact is, this is his issue, not ours and until we know all the facts we can't tell him how he should feel.  As for the pedigree, Jiri doesn't speak English, Wade doesn't speak Czech, so from what I've READ, Hans volunteered to be the go between, only Wade and Hans know what was said regarding that.

Don't be so damned self righteous.  Just because you don't think it is a big deal doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you.

I didn't want to get sucked back into this  thread but some people are on a much smaller horse than they think they are.

Over and out - for good, so have at it.