Who Do You Trust - Page 18

By the way, hungerforjustice, we know Tim and Kathy well, and yes,
Wilmoth Haus is a super place to look for a puppy as well.
They breed/show/train/title/test their dogs from puppies up.
No shortcuts taken there!

There are many good small hobby breeders in this country,
it's up to the puppy purchaser to weed them out and see what kind of contract/warranty (if any)
that they are comfortable dealing with.

We personally don't want strings attached to the dogs/puppies we buy,
and have found it easier to deal with Euro breeders, but we have also
had very pleasant results with a couple American breeders too.
Let's not forget Canada, there is also some pretty good breeders up there too.

I really shouldn't chime in on this, but I cannot stand to see probably the BEST dog person I know being bashed like this. I used to think I knew a lot about dogs. No, I know nothing compared to Jen. And if I'm buying dogs from Jen for the rest of my life, I'd be more than happy! I think there should be MORE breeders like her. My whole family would agree on that. I have never met another dog like ANY of Jen's dogs. They are all in a class of their own. And you know what? I'd be ecstatic to have a Caleb pup.

I have to agree with Carlin, this has just become a pissing match.

Back to the original question - who do I trust? Jen at vom Eisenherz, 100%!

Carlin, I don't see where Jenni's dogs are being called crap. What is being called out about her is the ever present tendency to be overly critical of others, a tendency to never hold any breeder accountable for their bad practices, instead to blame any issues that arise on the ignorance of the buyer (and lately, and especially if they are a pet owner, it seems to me), because she doesn't separate herself well from comments made to other breeders. Some see it as being hypocrital and that is where the trust gets all mixed up. This is all my humble opinion.

Now, to continue my pschye profile it is usually interesting to note that overly critical, control freak personalities usually suffer from a lack of self esteem, believe it or not. They need to control everything for fear of their life will spin out of control if they aren't calling all the shots.

None of the above that I wrote would make me think she was anything less than a very knowledgable breeder of the best dogs she loves. 

They are being called crap in terms of breeding viability. While this is definitely the forum where the opinions of experienced breeders should be heard, even bee's last post sounds of a very personal nature. The more personal these opinions get, the less valuable they are to people such as myself trying to sort out the truth about the actual dogs.

It is my personal opinion, I thought I made that clear. I am not trying to sway your opinion, by the way. How long have you been lurking Carlin? Just curious? 

I am not sure you are savvy enough at this point to understand my point. Oh well. I took a chance.

I very seldom post on this forum anymore, (and for some I know they are very happy about that...hahahaha), but primarily because we seldom talk about dogs anymore, as opposed to people. There used to be a lot of knowledgable experienced dog people on this list. These people had a passion for the breed and not just for their dogs. There is a difference. When these people posted, you learned things and got different perspectives based on experience and knowledge to aid in furthering your own knowledgbase. Nowdays, most of those people are gone, not willing to share with unappreciative know it alls who have been in the breed for a minute.So the quality and the substance of the posts have changed....seldom can we disuss current dogs and have constructive dialogue, seldom can we point out faulty thinking even if it is based in facts because the emotions and sensitivites of some feel like its bashing, the board has lost "trust" to many many very good knowledgable GS people. And this is a shame. I periodically pop in, but I don't worry about the mean and nasties, cause I've been there done that. But its a shame that this board once had German Shepherds as its main topics and excellent resources for breeders trainers, and owners. Now it is considered a battlefield, where you have to have armour to go to. The times are a changin!

Point to ponder as well, the accusation of this being "jealousy of competing breeders"
is bunk.

MANY of the people participating on this thread do NOT breed,
but they do call bullshit when they see it.

And beetree is right, no one has called this breeder's dogs "crap".
Always remember, one mans trash is anothers treasure,
and quite honestly, I don't think its rational or reasonable to
refer to ANY persons dog as "crap".
People have been amazed that someone so vocal on so many boards
with such strong opinions would do a breeding like this and then seemingly try to hide it.
But quick to critique and insult someone else that has done the same.

This can be spun around and around with claims of a witch hunt etc,
and while people that purchased dogs from this breeder are happy,
thats fantastic, but, fact remains,  this is not a type of breeding NOR breeder that
most would recommend someone look to for a pup.
And that IS taking away "personalities" etc in this equation, just going on FACT.

Example:
"I want to buy a puppy from this breeding: _________ x __________
The sire is not titled nor does he have hips/elbows certified. What do you all think?
The breeder has the xrays for the sire and told me what a great working dog he is,
and that he is hard on his body."

So, what would the average response to this post be do you think?

"If you were so proud of the breeding you did, why did you try so hard to hide it?"

Why are you hiding your identity?  You make some potentially valid points but hiding behind a cloak of anonymity makes it appear that your motives are anything but altruistic.

I'm not hiding, not sure where you get that from?
I had no idea that disclosing ones name and location was a requirement of this site.

Why does it bother you?

If my points are valid, then my words can stand on their own.
Does it matter if I say I am Charlie Brown? Will that make it ok?

@bee - I started looking for a another GSD almost 2 yrs ago, around here, and elsewhere. For the most part, when coming across the infighting such as this, I'd just look elsewhere. You are probably right in saying I don't know enough to understand your point; I have paid from more attention to pedigrees. That being said, it seems that for whatever reason Jenni78 is the flavor of the month so to speak. If the general consensus is is that she should not be breeding a given dog, it is important to me as a buyer why or why not. I'd be far more interested in the health, temperament, and accomplishment of the dogs progeny than I am in this womans psyche profile.