Who Do You Trust - Page 17

I hate laptops. You end up on them too much because you can take them everywhere...like even overseeing bath time. This is all so silly. As clee said, no one who knows me has a problem, and people who don't know a damn thing about me are FLIPPING OUT about stuff that is NONE of their business. It defies logic. 

Jenni,
I don't think it defies logic.  If you post about dogs on forums as much as you do, and you breed dogs and post about breeding then questions will come up.  I really don't think GSDpack has any real issue with you, she remembered a thread about your dog and his hips.  The thread was linked and the xrays were shown.  People offered opinions, some were fine with breeding hips like that others felt they wouldn't.  You expressed your side and your reasoning.  I think it can end there, one thing that is for sure is getting people here to agree unanimously is never going to happen.

Jim

Jim, there are many threads where she jumps in every time someone with a dog from me has something nice to say. There is no mystery where it comes from. I know exactly where it comes from, and we will leave it at that, publicly anyway. I have no qualms about telling you if you were interested, but I don't really think you care or are that bored or petty. 

To go and dig up ads from 2010 posted for pups who were intended to have a different sire and have no sire listed at all is really reaching and it looks really odd. I'm getting a slew of questions about the motive. Regardless, it's enough. It's not helpful. This thread should have been a positive thread, full of names that people had good experiences with. Instead, when people WHO KNOW ME WELL say they trust me, it turns into a witch hunt with everything from half truths to totally false statements and everything in between. I'm not one to back down, as we all know, and I probably should have by now. I apologize and I will just stop and let them do as they wish. 

When did you know that the second sire of the Caleb x Capri litter did not work out?
You have listed the whelp date as Oct. 14, 2010 and the date of this ad is Dec.10, 2010.
Was this at the time of breeding that it did not work out, or, did you find out after you DNA'd the puppies to determine who the sire was for each?
Just curious? 





I hope my roommates English is good enough, she held my hand while I typed it.


You wrote:
"Jim, there are many threads where she jumps in every time someone with a dog from me has something nice to say

Actually Jenni I don't comment on dogs much. I remember I commented on one of your puppies a while back (I think it was one of your puppies I could be mistaken), I think I wrote cute fluff ball... I guess that was very offensive..


 

Hunger4, You really seem to not have a clue of what is being discussed here.  

WHOA........... I stopped at page 5 and will go back and read the rest later. Have to agree with Hunger4justice! first, yourself. In my eyes, if you have the time, energy and money, make an honest attempt to do it yourself. When everything is under your control than you can hopefully produce exactly what you need or are looking for.

And like, (can't remember the poster) the one stated; TRUST is a strong word in my world also. Reputation, seeing with my own eyes and definately communicating with the breeder. I (up to this point in life) have to have a somewhat personal relationship of sorts with my breeders. Always keeping in touch; pictures, updates and at times showing them the dogs in person. One day I hope to do the same.

To the OP; I would say high 90s% fall on your shoulders. Like one stated...... instincts, listen to them. Research, research and research. By the way did I say RESEARCH? I remember one thread and the guy wanted to know his lines on his dog and Chaz responded. The man didn't like Chaz's response.......... Bottom line. Chaz was right and the OP needed to make an EFFORT and do some of the paper pounding himself. If he had he could've/would've answered some of his own questions.

Good luck to the OP. Just depends on what your looking for? Lines? And no need to be hasty. If you miss out on an "awesome" dog there usually is another one waiting, somewhere.

Now, to get back to reading the last few pages.     

I don't care what IS being discussed, the topic was Who Can You Trust.  I have repeatedly said I trust Wilmothhaus, I trust vom Gildaf, I trust vom Eisenherz.  I am allowed to trust them.  I also like and have liked and have a grandson of Jean at Schraderhuas' breeding.  I like Gabor Szilasi dogs at k9 Imports and Van Den Heuvel though I don't have their dogs, but ones related to some of them.  I am allowed to state who I trust on a site called WHO DO YOU TRUST and I am going to ignore the off topic insults.  I stand by what I said that one has to trust oneself first and know your own heart, needs and ability.

Actually hungerforjustice, this does in fact relate to the topic of "Who can you trust",
the breeder of your "World Class" pup has denied, or avoided numerous times when asked if she bred
her untested/no health clearance male to her SchH1 female, so yes, that relates to honesty, ergo TRUST.

And really? Making fun of GSDPACK's english? How soon we forget what we preach to others,
but I guess that rule only applies to others, not the "perfect people".
For the record GSDPACK, I think you have a very good command of the English language.

The breeder of this "CalebxCapri" litter says this all lies and a witch hunt,
well, no, I think what it is, is that people have had enough of the holier than
thou attitude you present here, when in reality, you are not.
Your quick to eviscerate anyone else who does the very thing we are talking about with your
"Caleb x Capri" litter.

Ad's "drug up"? Here you have said many times you have a "waiting list" for your super puppies?
You even  claimed that people wanted you to breed "Caleb" and wanted puppies from him.
So then, I guess I am confused and otheres, why would you need to advertise at all then?

And didn't you make fun of and cite inexperience and low morals
on another board not too long ago regarding an ad for some Boban Grauen Monstross pups?
How is that different from the multiple "free ads" you have placed all over?
Guess it's only the sign of a puppy mill or someone who doesn't care when someone else does it.

Then, when the owner/handler signed on to that board and offered you to come stay with his family and
actually see the very dog you claim is akin to Satan and produces little Satans, you never even gave him a reply.

So now, when people do the very same thing you have done to others over many years,
it's a witch hunt and we are obessed and everything else.
No, I assure you, you are simply "not all that".
It's not jealousy either, it's just many many people are fed up with the arrogance you
spew here daily. And now that it's come to light, the honesty or lack there of.
If you were so proud of the breeding you did, why did you try so hard to hide it?
I don't get it.
I at least will give credit to those that do a breeding of an untitled dog and then stand behind it
and even explain why they did the breeding.

I said it before, it is a long fall from way up there on the pedestal you have placed yourself.

Now go ahead and come back with some personal insults, I am sure I made some spelling errors too.
I'm sorry about that, my wife is not home to spell check for me.

remione1 wrote:
"I also believe breed the dog not the titles. I think the title more states the trainability of a dog among some other things but does not. alone make the dog breedworthy. I also thought hips played a part in that more than titles. If the dog is a monster on the sleeve, tracking better than an apache & has his ob down solid would you consider breading him if he's borderldysplastic? I don't understand the genome/pheno typing yet but wi"

It's ok, I kind of got what you were eluding to.
Would I breed a dog like the one you described?
I would say no, because you don't supply enough data.
What are his siblings like? What have the sire/dam produced, whats behind them?
What exactly do you mean by borderline dysplastic? They either are or aren't.

Now, ask me if I will WORK a dog like that? YES!!!!
But in breeding, you have to sort through alot of things other than just the three you mentioned.
There are many dogs out there that are proving you can have V in structure AND the work,
but it remains to be seen for alot of if they will produce it-it always goes back to whats behind them,
or, in otherwords, whats on that paper.

If bloodlines mean nothing, if you were to ONLY breed to the dog in front of you, well, good luck.
Bloodlines DO mean something, they will also help you judge what you can hope to produce!

I am certainly not qualified to say whether or not Jenni78's dogs are the crap many other breeders here are saying they are, but it's hard to believe they can be judged by people based primarily on a questionable at best x-ray. This whole pissing contest sounds very personal and unbecoming of "professional" breeders. In life, in all things, we usually pay very little attention to the insignificant and a whole lot of attention to the significant whether or not it's positive or negative publicity.