not right kennel?? - Page 17

Hi Red Sable,
If I mispoke about Hans offering to buy the pup back then I apologize for my mistake.
I thought that was what I read.
As for the ear, I haven't commented on it other than to look to remedies in the contract.
I don't know of anyone, though, that has an ear guarantee on pups in their contract.
Maybe show people do, I don't know.
I am no expert on ears, but, I have seen pups with floppy ears that had them corrected as late as 12 or 13 months old.
I have no opinion on whether this pup's ear can or can't be corrected. 
Again, If I was planning on making money off of this pup, either in a sale, or in future breedings, I would do my best to make sure I did everything possible to correct the problem. (This assumes, of course, that there is potential for correcting it)
If the ear problem is a genetic defect then I would rely on the contract as it was written.
Wade freely and willingly signed the contract.
If he is unhappy with the terms ex post facto, that is on him.
There is a legal term that I am sure many people are aware of called, "due dilligence". It applies here.
As to telling Wade how he should feel, I don't think that anyone did that and I know that I didn't if that was directed at me.
Personally, I feel bad for anyone that feels they got screwed, but, I also like to look at all parts of the equation to see if it correct or not.

Steve1,
I fully understand what you are saying. It isn't a difficult concept.
It, however, doesn't apply in this intance.
If your stance is that it does, great, then we disagree.

What I would like to know is what is the name of the dog written on the contract? Not the registration papers, but, the contract.
I am assuming that Wade signed the contract prior to, or in conjunction with, sending payment for the puppy and the subsequent shipment of the puppy to him.
If he received a contract with a pup named _____Od Roubenky and signed the contract, again, it is on him.
If the dog name written on the contract had any of Jiri's kennel names (not Jinopo, it is not a breeding kennel name) then he has something to be upset about.

OGBS
This Grandpa has not called you any names, If i am in the mood for calling you names then your name will be told right out what i think and you can then do what you think fit nothing you can throw at me bothers me at all so why bring anything up like that.
What i said was to quite a few on here you were in the group but it was not aimed solely at you But i guess i am dealing with a real sensitive person who's nerves are not so Strong, NOT good Breeding material, No one else has commented on it.
However thats not the the question in hand, I would think that if i came to you to buy a Puppy then you would have already asked me why i wanted it very first part of contact, So asking at the date you are is a bit late you would already know why i wanted the Pup from the first letter or phone call or email.
Regards doing your homework, i can tell you the breeding of my dogs took a fair bit of research, the way they are bred and dogs bred from the lines like they are do not come on the market very often, and i do my homework more or as much as any person on here that is certain.
As for you driving 700 miles that is below the distance i travelled for Hektor and i was on the go for 25 hours solid and pulling two more dogs in a dog trailer as there was no one to look after them whist i was away so that is nothing new. AND remember i am a GRANDPA
However you still did not answer my question, Remember this Wade Guy is in the USA the Dog was born 1000's of miles away in CZ so you could not send him or me to anyone, you only need to answer a simple question. Would you tell me the Puppy was born and bred by someone else other than the person i contacted before i paid for it that person being yourself, then i have the choice of having it or not no hard thing to answer. a simple Yes or No. If it is yes; then you have said wrongly in your posts if NO' then you will understand what i have been trying to get across (Ethics}
Steve1

Grandpa1,
You should pay attention to what you wrote:
"As i said some of you have no ethics at all and you do not answer questions when put to you Cop out Artists the very worst kind of people who shout out, but do not reply to straight forward questions in which they may have to retract past statements.
So i ask again Jenni78 and OGBS".

I think the highlighted text taken from your post is a perfect example of someone calling others names.
Sorry, but my nerves are well intact.

Your trivial little story about the circumstances surrounding how or when you contacted me is immaterial and ridiculous.
Again, I would have sent you to the owner of the female. The person who bred the litter.

Me telling my story about how far I drove to look at a potential dog for me wasn't about a pissing contest (you seem to love these) about who drove further. It was about doing one's homework.

I am sorry that you have no friends to watch your dogs.
I had two very attractive female friends, Alicia and Jessica, come to my house to watch my dogs and my cats while I was gone.

My answer to your simple yes or no question is the same as it was before. It is irrelevant.
Jinopo is a pup and dog broker of many, many kennels. Do your homework.

I have a question for you. Is it ethical to call people names and then say that you didn't? Yes or no?
(Ethics)

Damn, had a whole page typed and the cruisers' laptop froze. Can't remeber it all but I'll try and give the jist. Even though this is a HOT thread half shouldn't even apply to the facts because of opinions, perceptions and interpretations. BUT the OP asked for opinions....... and what is the ole saying? "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one".

I see people calling many things with this situation;

Ethically
morally
professionally
what ever the proper word is for friendship
AND LEGALLY!

Unfortunately I would think the majority of the repliers are not familiar with the contract or the conversation(s), hence the opinions and such.

Here's where I question/or have a problem; 8 wks to 7 mos? Had a conversation been taking place since pup's arrival?
What took so long to come to this point and voice concerns/unhappiness?
Did Wade say I want a pup from ? Sire and ? Dam? From this type of breeding? Or a pup wth this Kennel name in the name? Who really knows.

We all have our ideas and visions of what each of those words above mean. Unfortunately it would appear in this case the only one that matters is legally. Without knowing the verbage of the contract all this is would've, could've and should've. Maybe OP can scan the contract or shoot a copy/PM to all who have commented.  


 

OGBS
I to have a great many friends but they are not dog owners or do they know anything about dogs, and my Dogs live outdoors.
 They would consider a friend of mine a stranger never having seen them before and for that person to go into a strange dogs pen COULD be asking for trouble, or are your Dogs that way they will wag there tails and slurp over a stranger when you are not present and they had never met before. However perhaps you would risk it just to have an easier trip but you are not me thank goodness.
I am not prepared to take that chance, not only for the persons welfare but the Dogs are the ones to pay the price should anything go wrong and through no fault of there own.
 The nearest ScH friend is about 24 miles from me and they work so hardly fair to ask them to drive over twice a day to see to the Dogs. So NO' they had to come with me.
SO' you have not again answered the question so you would then if i came to you direct for a Puppy you would sell me one off from another Breeder without telling me even if your male was the Sire.
That is not ethical and i hope people read this and take note of your ethices not very good ones
And your Nerves are not solid at all by the way you wrote above in your second last post says it all once said is once too often.
As i said not good breeding material, there is no need for me to bother talking to you again on this subject your practises are not good in my book so that is enough for me.
Steve1

Alboe, since I like you and you're reasonable and rational, I will again break my pact of silence and come back to answer this.

The reason there is so much controversy here, imo, between "us" (those who think Wade should've known the kennel name wouldn't be Jirkova Dvora) and "them" (those who think Wade should've gotten a certified letter or perhaps a skywriter to tell him that the puppy's name wouldn't be Jirkova Dvora) is that he requested a puppy out of Jiri's stud (can't even remember the damn dog's name anymore) and USSY. He chose that litter, in which USSY was the dam. USSY, very clearly, was not/is not owned by Jinopo. If you need extra verification of this fact, you simply click on "females" and you don't find her. She is owned by another kennel and the litter is on Jinopo's site because it's one of their studs who is siring the litter.

So, out of all those litters Wade chooses the USSY litter, and then is surprised when the puppy's name reflects that of USSY's owner. Had he cared one iota about the particulars of the character of the dog he was buying as opposed to the name of the dog and the names on the pedigree, he most likely would've done a simple "click" onto Ussy to see what he could find out about her and most certainly he would've realized at this point (if not finding her under "females" wasn't enough of a clue) that she was owned by another kennel. I thoroghly research every dog I buy; I cannot imagine picking some pictures on a website and saying "I want that one" and being done with it. I talk to owners, trainers, other puppy owners, etc. If you are breeding, I think you need to do this. How do you know what you're getting is what you want if you don't ask these questions? Well, apparently, when  you care not what you're breeding and only want a particular "last name" to imply prestige so you can sell the puppies to people who know equally as little as you, I guess this is how mistakes happen. The problem is the way they were handled- he flew off the handle, hence the 9 pages of hysterical arguments.

Ethics should always be first and foremost. However, just because you have ethics does not mean you are obligated to point out the obvious to people too lazy to do their own homework and just want to make some money off someone else's research and hard work.

~Jennifer Gates Trump Hilton

   Jen, IMO that sums it up pretty well.... Unfortunately, misunderstandings  always cause hard feelings, even between friends. It is an unfortunate set of circumstances for sure. I do not think anything was done out of deceit.... I am also sorry about Wades health, that probably is contributing to some of what has transpired here with regard to attitudes....

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not right kennel?? by pientje on 30 August 2011 - 21:08

pientje Posts: 12 Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:13 pm

I really don`t understand, how can you pick a pup from a litter and not knowing what the kennelname is? It is written on the website of Jinopo, were the puppie pictures are,  that the pups can be from another kennel but with a stud dog from Jinopo. So you buy a pup only on the name Jirkova Dvora,  why that name, could be Jipo Me aswell? Never looked at the parents? Never even read the website? Never ask the breeder about the mother of the pups? As for a puppy with a "defect" ear i really wanne know wich breeder here gives a warrant on the ears??? I don`t know any kennel of working dogs wich you buy an eight week old puppy and give you a replacement when his ear isn`t right or not standing up. You must be glad when you put your pup to sleep because of severe HD that the breeder isn`t blaming you because maybe you let him jump to much! But nice to know there are so many great breeders who think it is very normal to give a replacement on a working dog because of an ear. I got one dog that is called Jipo Me and one trough Jinopo but his kennelname is z Morisvillu, i knew this before i got the dog (he was a replacement) because i looked at the parents and talked to Jiri, i bought the dog because i liked the pedigree and the female and male not beause of his name.

Very well said Pientje!
I too have very good experience with Jinopo!