Who Do You Trust - Page 16

What I don't understand is that a couple of Jenni78's puppy people listed her as someone THEY trust, so why do others have to bash that opinion? The thread is Who do you trust? People gave opinions, and if you don't agree, don't buy a dog or pup from that person/breeder. It seems to me all her puppy people who posts pics of their pups on here speaks louder than the attacks of forum members who don't know her. Just an opinion

Mods, If you can somehow take the phone number off, please do, my bad, not intentional.



 

remione1,

When ethical breeders say that, they mean they examine both potential sire and dam both in phenotype and genotype
and make what they feel is the best decision possible for a breeding partner for their bitch.

They look at the overall pedigree to the sire/dam and siblings of those two dogs as well to see what their breeding had produced healthwise.

When speaking of not breeding to "titles", that usually means people don't look to that particular dog because it is titled,
but because of the pedigree (genotype) or structure/temperment etc (phenotype).
The dog may show great traits that the breeder wants to incorporate into their lines.

Example, there are certain lines that are "known" to be hip improvers,
meaning that you will likely increase the pass/fail rate in the progeny, and their progeny later on.

I don't think anyone reputable or ethical means they overlook basic health testing and certifying of hips/elbows.

Titles are not a guarantee of quality of the dog, however, for those that breed untitled dogs,
they are usually breeding to those dogs because of the dogs pedigree, which usually comes back to titled dogs.

There are very few people in this country that would have the knowledge to breed generations of untitled dogs,
Gustav/Cliff has been around forever, (sorry man, meant with respect),
but even he I am sure will work any untitled dog he intends on breeding.

Titles will only mean something to the people that choose to breed untitled/untested dogs when THEY own a titled dog.
Otherwise, they will rail about how titles don't mean a thing.
Kind of like hip/elbow certifications.

People will always find justification for breeding untitled/untested dogs.
I get what Gustav is saying regarding only breeding for hips, it's not a wise move,
however, thats not what this fray has been about.

The Caleb x Capri litter was dual sired  Wasn't it the other sire that had the advertised a2 hips?

  

Mods, I could not care less about my number being posted. For goodness sakes, it's on my website. I'm not exactly one to hide from anyone; I use my real name on every forum I've ever been on and give anyone who asks my number. 

Remione, when I say I don't breed hips and I don't breed titles, I mean I look at the whole dog. I look at the dog sitting in front of me and think about it on as many levels as possible. If the best dog for what I'm looking to bring to the table is titled, fantastic. If he/she has perfect hips, fantastic as well. But to breed a dog who only has good hips and really not much else going for it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  I'd rather have super dogs with fair hips who produce the same than have sub-par dogs with great hips who produce the same. I just try to breed the dogs with the most "pros" in that column. There are clear disqualifiers, of course, but overall, you look at the *whole* picture of each DOG and what they bring to the table as opposed to sitting at the kitchen table with pedigrees in one hand and hip xrays in another. Having staunch "rules" in breeding will often make you cut off your nose to spite your face.  Have a plan and a goal, and use the dogs who best fit that. Don't sacrifice a great dog w/fair or NZ hips or no sport titles or a G rating, etc. in favor of an OFA excellent dog who is titled but has horrible temperament. Make sense? Hope you understand what I meant now.

Mfh is correct, nearly. A little mixed up, but nearly correct and yes, that's where the A2 was from. There was to be another sire. Same thing I was trying for this time. Didn't work. Grrr. 

Dinner time then bed. I have a bunch of medical crap scheduled tomorrow. Just wanted to let you know. God forbid I don't answer back and get accused of avoidance! LOL

Nighty-night, "Ladies".

I also believe breed the dog not the titles. I think the title more states the trainability of a dog among some other things but does not. alone make the dog breedworthy. I also thought hips played a part in that more than titles. If the dog is a monster on the sleeve, tracking better than an apache & has his ob down solid would you consider breading him if he's borderldysplastic? I don't understand the genome/pheno typing yet but wi

Sry. Damn sausage fingers typing on my phone. Some words got jumbled but I think you can make sense of my question lol

 A classy, well-said argument based on facts goes a lot further than fat jokes and crude, immature insults.       


I think insulting someone's spelling, typos and grammar when English is their second language is rude.  I understand that this is an emotional topic and tempers may flair, but let's practice what we have been known to preach.  I think you would be taken more seriously if you didn't lash out at GSDpack for having English as her second or possibly third language.  Perhaps, you could respond to her in her native language, fluently?  After all this is an International forum. 

FWIW,


Jim