not right kennel?? - Page 15

As i said some of you have no ethics at all and you do not answer questions when put to you Cop out Artists the very worst kind of people who shout out, but do not reply to straight forward questions in which they may have to retract past statements.
So i ask again Jenni78 and OGBS
If i buy a Puppy from you people and i ask it from one of your Breedings of your kennel, Would you send me a Puppy which your Male was the Father but bred at another Kennel or elsewhere in which you may have had the Pup in place of a Stud fee, Would you tell me prior to me paying for the Pup and give me the Choice of having it or saying no, A straight forward answer is all that is needed.
Steve1 

You say it like they knew the dog would end up like this?  Had no way of knowing at 8 weeks old.  Yes shipping is expensive.  The dog business is expensive, ""

OKAY, one more time.  IT DOES NOT MATTER if they knew or not.  It is THEIR mistake, THEY should pay for the shipping.  They guarantee a pretty much perfect dog.  
So, all other kennels that have contracts have the same policy?  Then I'll steer clear of them too. 

Yes, the dog business can be expensive because like Steve said, ethics are sadly missing these days.

I went to Han's site and read the thread there.  Wade mentioned to Hans about the papers taking so long and gave Hans every opportunity to come forth and say they were not the Jinopo name, but like some other things Hans chose to let it go and not say anything.  We are back to this disclosure and honesty issue.  It sounds like Hans knew full well Wade was expecting the dog to be from Jinopo kennels.  Yes maybe Wade should have done his homework better,  and checked into the breeding himself, but it sounds like he had said what he wanted and was trusting his friend to get  him the dog he'd asked for. Sometimes we just trust too much, especially when it is a friend.

Lying by omission is still lying in my books.

Now I am really finished.  I have horses to see too.

I really don`t understand, how can you pick a pup from a litter and not knowing what the kennelname is?
It is written on the website of Jinopo, were the puppie pictures are,  that the pups can be from another kennel but with a stud dog from Jinopo.
So you buy a pup only on the name Jirkova Dvora,  why that name, could be Jipo Me aswell? Never looked at the parents? Never even read the website? Never ask the breeder about the mother of the pups?
As for a puppy with a "defect" ear i really wanne know wich breeder here gives a warrant on the ears??? I don`t know any kennel of working dogs wich you buy an eight week old puppy and give you a replacement when his ear isn`t right or not standing up.
You must be glad when you put your pup to sleep because of severe HD that the breeder isn`t blaming you because maybe you let him jump to much!
But nice to know there are so many great breeders who think it is very normal to give a replacement on a working dog because of an ear.
I got one dog that is called Jipo Me and one trough Jinopo but his kennelname is z Morisvillu, i knew this before i got the dog (he was a replacement) because i looked at the parents and talked to Jiri, i bought the dog because i liked the pedigree and the female and male not beause of his name.

Ethics and morals always come up when the buyer doesn't do their due dilligence &  R-E-A-D the contract.
Sad thing is that this is coming from another breeder and not a novice buyer.
And it takes around 6 months for the papers to come in.  I knew that when I got my pup and 6 months later I picked up my pink papers from Hans.

Like you said RS..if you read everything and don't like the terms, find another breeder.

Everybody has a story to tell and everybody needs someone to blame. 

Sorry, Steve1, if you asked me something before I didn't see it. No offense, but I skip any posts that aren't properly formatted or use paragraphs. They just take too long to read. I try to skim this stuff quickly and move on. But anyway, I did just see my name in your last post and to answer you, yes, I would tell you, because, as I have said before I AM A TINY BREEDER WHO NO ONE WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE 'OUTSIDE' LITTERS INVOLVING MY MALE AND SOMEONE ELSE'S FEMALE. Thus, if you told me what you wanted in a dog (temperament, etc.) I would tell you what cross I thought was best for you and if it was a cross w/a male I owned and an outside female, I would tell you. I can't guarantee I would remember to remind you the name wouldn't be my kennel name because I would think it was obvious, since I just told you I don't own the female. Were I a conglomerate, as Jinopo is, I would expect you to READ what's obvious from the litters page (ie, Ussy is not their female).

As to RS' comment about Hans, remember that Hans wasn't involved in this AT ALL until Wade blew a gasket and dragged him into it and he tried to help. That changes things dramatically, imo. Had Wade gone through Hans, then it would be different. But when someone tries to cut out the middleman to save a buck (just a guess), he's got some nerve coming to the middleman to bitch and moan because he's not happy.

I guess I'm just sick and tired of people not taking responsibility for themselves and their mistakes and looking for someone to blame. This kind of mentality is what's wrong w/society. This reminds me of the McDonald's coffee lawsuit. No shit- coffee is hot. Jinopo is not a kennel name, nor does it refer to ONE breeder. Same thing.

Peace! I really didn't want to come back to this train wreck but I didn't want to appear to be blatantly ignoring Steve1. 

Wade,
 how much do you think I should give you. What do you think is fair?  Don't be so quick by dissing your friends.
 
Hi everyone...this is Deb...I just read that Wade called me a "bald faced liar". this is the e-mail that we sent Wade to buy back the dog on August 23rd.  We have many e-mails with his reasons why he doesn't want to sell the pup. Again, we hate that he is ill and want to do the right thing to help him. Calling me a liar isn't going to get us to go outside the warranty. My grandma used to say " you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar". I am so sorry that this is such an ordeal. We really do want to do the right thing by everyone.


Thanks

Debbie 

Isn't this the guy who bred two nine month old litter mates? And his partner who is a breed warden in czech rep. said it was good breeding! When will people learn that a european accent and a website doesn't mean that they only want you to show them the money.

Faq.....what???

Sorry, does mean.

faq2 wrote:
 Isn't this the guy who bred two nine month old litter mates?

No, this is the guy who had an accidental breeding between 9 month old littermates. The littermates did the breeding of their own accord and initiative--it wasn't planned by this gentleman.

And his partner who is a breed warden in czech rep. said it was good breeding!

While it certainly wasn't a *permissible* breeding by SV standards (don't know how closely one is allowed to breed in other European countries), the fact that it was a sibling mating doesn't automatically make it anything less than a 'good' breeding as far as the quality of dog said breeding could produce.  To be blunt, if you really need to find out fast  what kind of genetic shit is hidden in your bloodlines (soft/weak ears, for example) you intentionally do these kinds of matings--sibling/sibling, son/dam, sire/daughter--and then see what comes to dinner from those breedings.  If you're lucky, and the siblings aren't carrying anything worse than the recessive for longcoats, and the genetics behind them are strong for desirable traits, you could end up with nearly ideal dogs.  So from a genetics point of view, it most certainly could  be a good breeding...my knowledge of the Czech lines isn't sufficient to form an opinion to that issue.