Sloping backlines and over angulation - Page 14

The dog is not extending in the knee at all. Look at the bend and waste if motion caused by kicking up instead of following through

We have very different opinions of ideal motion

Sunsilver - My point is that Bodo is trotting whereas Labo is not. The whole movement is different between the two dogs.

Xeph - You are mistaken about Bodo. First, as a trotting dog he shows good forward reach, Secondly, when looking at the photo you have not taken into account that the upper arm has straightened which allows the forward reach. The forward reach does not come from the elbow. The picture is correct for a trotting dog. The photo of Labo does not show the upper arm fully extended.

Take a good look at the video of Dingo that Sunsilver has referred to.

Mackenzie

I have seen the video of Dingo many times, and in terms of motion, feel he's far superior to Bodo (probably the best moving dog the breed ever had). We're not going to agree on this. I see that his shoulder is open, but the entire picture of the dog shows an unbalanced animal IMO. May have been good for his time, but I don't see anything particularly noteworthy in the provided picture.

Here's a dog EuroShepherd shared about three years ago.  Dog is suspended, open at both ends, fluid, not over done.  Better than either of the other two dogs posted, IMO

I agree with Xeph, last picture and pictures of Xeph's own dog show very good elbow open, that is typical of American GSD. WGSl never had the good elbow open like their counter part do, also ASl shows better parallel back to ground in trot

Trot does not equal work.

This is about horses, but the point it makes about movement (trotting) holds true for dogs. In a trot, the opposite legs should be at the same point of the stride at the same time. When you see a trotting dog that has 3 legs on the ground, that is a faulty trot. Check that picture of Labo -- are his fore and hind legs at the same point at the same moment in the stride--are the diagonal legs parallel and roughly the same height above the ground?

The picture of the horse in the example reminds me of the pictures of the showline dogs with one forefoot kicked high up in the air.

http://warneyswhip.com/2015/12/16/this-is-not-correct/

 

Christine

 

Xeph, I am not saying Bodo's trot is perfect, but it is a CORRECT trot, with legs on opposite sides moving in unison. Also, the hind leg has passed its point of fullest extension, and is starting to come back underneath the body for the next stride.  Labo's trot is NOT correct. Christine (see above post) understands the point I was trying to make.

I am sure if Bodo were asked to extend more, the way current day dogs are gaited, he'd show more follow through and more opening of the shoulder.

There is a technique to "teach" these dogs to gate properly, I am sure each and every dog can be taught to gate at any speed you ask them to. All beautiful dogs; all working dogs some better than others... Just another dog another day of gaiting...at another speed. Speed determines what the gate looks like. All probably could work all day given proper training and conditioning.  They are working dogs...  Nan

The reality is the majority of our dogs don't work and won't work. Pretty much everything is theory except for the individuals that DO work day in and day out.

Thus far, the structure of my dogs is holding up to doing stock work (and no, I don't consider it real work...it is sport...but it's better than doing nothing with them). I am also doing agility with them (not a breed test, no, but still requires good structure to hold up).

I've had one real working dog (my service dog), and his ability to work had nothing to do with galloping, trotting, or pacing. For his work, structure was very important...for other types of work, structure really doesn't matter at all.