Serious hard GSD - Page 13

Cannot access the Von Bismack website "restricted" ? Also who here if any imports dogs from this Romanian Kennel?

 Bob !  LMAO.

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Argus, that was a comment on a picture of a concrete GSD Bob posted on the previous page.

I would be very, very cautious about importing a GSD from Romania. I know of many people who have been scammed by Romanian breeders.

In answer to what Baerenfang's Erbe is impressed by in a dog, she is partial to the Gildo Korbelbach type.

Silly me! I thought a civil dog was one that was well-mannered in public! (LOL)

And I am still trying to figure out exactly what hardness in a dog refers to as I have read slightly different meanings. My last impression was that it referred to a matter that would have the most application in both the types of training and handler such a dog would need to be at its best. Such as in therapy for people with sociopathy - it is not of the sort with which most people are familiar. You have to focus on change by achieving valued goals, avoiding self-disclosure. The focus is on pragmatism rather than empathy and relationship. It is even more important to leave your ego out of it as well as maintain strict boundaries.

And you can't fake out dogs or clients. It never ceases to amaze me what dogs can pick up on, whether it is body language and tone of voice, the smell and feel of stress, energy fields, etc. I feel like I have to go through psychotherapy to get beyond some training issue I get stuck on.

That I spend so much time thinking about these things must be disturbing.

This is what a hard dog looks like without handler aggression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c-Sx3lgA8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGXwvugVf5A

Same dog at the BSP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMOUs8s0UM
Anyone saying otherwise doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
It's some very oldschool training.
 

PETA and the positive-only obedience crowd would be all over the handler on that first clip...  Like you said, some serious old school training, and I have no problem with that. Hard dogs can handle corrections without falling to pieces.

 

Nice dog, with a lot of good WGWL in the pedigree.

 

Live links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c-Sx3lgA8k 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGXwvugVf5A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMOUs8s0UM

Why do you call this "old school" training? We didn´t see part B/obedience.

There is a difference between obedience/ part B and "obedience during bitework"/part C.

Within part C a good dog ( and most dogs able to participate at the BSP are good dogs ) has to be obedient although the desire to bite ( be it out of prey or out of defense ) is VERY high.

Where is there any proof in those videos that this is a "hard dog?"

I see ears pinned completely back when the handler "bumps" the dog with the side of his leg...can't even call that a kick as it's basically impossible to get much power behind a hit like that.

And like susie mentioned...99% of dogs can take way more correction during protection than they can during obedience. The increased level of drive, and the extremely high level of reward (helper) is on the field. I'd expect a dog to be able to take a fairly heavy correction in that mindset. Especially a dog that has the quality to go to the BSP.