Serious hard GSD - Page 12

Quote: my guess is baerenfang is impressed by BSP and WUSV winners
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Not even close.

If you knew anything, my screenname itself should tell you exactly what type of dogs like I like.

Czechs, DDR, West... whatever direction you go, every single one of them has to cook with water. I've seen quite a few seriously messed up Czech dogs that I wouldn't have wanted around family or friends and that had nothing to do with them being too hard or civil. They were simply not stable. 

 

I've seen 'modern DDR' dogs so scared of life they shit themselves, literally. And I've seen plenty of WG dogs too scared to stay on the ob field...there are crappers any where you look. I don't judge all WG dogs by a few crappers.

AMEN!

I am a female and have a serious hard civil dog imported from Czech. Over the years we've provided plenty of entertainment at Ipo clubs and clinics with my beginner attempts at training a dog that was usually more than I could handle. We managed to earn an Ipo1 but control in protection was always difficult for me. As I learned I got better, but the dog always seems to outsmart me lol. Or I was afraid (it happens)... So due to the distance to the trainers that could help me the most, I've stopped training for Ipo.

I've switched to tracking training mostly since I can do this on my own. We earned all three Ipo tracking titles including 99 tr2 and 95 tr3 and could easily do an FH. Also have our first Akc TD title and are working hard surface now.

As for breeding, I haven't but the people interested in him are those who breed for police and not sport.

Here we go stable x unstable. Czech this, DDR that and WG another. I say at least 90% of instability blamed on genetics are actually caused by poor training and socialization. Why ? Because I have retrained and fixed fuk-d up dogs by nerve blaming trainers and those dogs ended up to be super LE and PP dogs. When I hear talk about nerves I get nauseous. Are there dogs with weak nerves. Yes! Absolutely but not as many as same would like you to believe.

Wow not much has changed on the PDB.

Nope, these were not made.
And I certainly know the difference between made and serious nervebags.
Why? I too rehabbed quite a few dogs that got ruined.

There are good and bad dogs everywhere. Lately, I've seen quite a few dogs that were downright dangerous. One of them mauled a friend of mine, the other one went almost after me, and yet another one is not right in his head. I had one that ran against a window to get out of a building. Another one was bought through a Facebook Working Dog Page. They paid a lot of money for that dog, and the dog couldn't function in public. Just like the other one I had. Ran against a wall to get out of the building. Took us a month for him to warm up in the training building, but there was no rehabbing because it was nerves. 
I boarded a puppy that's already sharp and defensive, tons of conflict.
I'm in the business of Training Pet Dogs. You would not believe how many calls I get for behavioral issues and how many of these are actually nerves. It's not just Shepherds. It's all across the board. From Labs, to Aussies, to Shepherds. 

I'm the least person to say that the GSD is ruined. The GSD is NOT ruined in my opinion, however, I'm also realistic about whats out there.

What makes me nauseous is "PPD's" and how many serious shit trainers are out there promoting PPDs. And what oh so hard dogs they have and when you watch those videos you are like "You've got to be kidding me".
 

  @ baerenfangs

Your all wrong with your presumptions and "Hard" dog comments! This is a truly "Hard " Dog!!!!!

 @ Barenfangs. I've seen it too. I had a dog I had to rehome. She was scared to death of men and children, despite never having had a bad experience with either one. (I'd owned her since 8 weeks.)

 

It took 6 weeks in a basic obedience class before she would accept a treat from someone other than me, and 2 or 3 weeks of cowering under my chair before she'd even take a treat from me.   Fortunately, she had no desire to bite when frightened (though any dog likely will do that if they think their life is in danger.)

 

The gal in my sig was a rescue and she had obviously been abused by a man, as she was scared to death of my husband-to-be when I first got her, especially if he had something that looked like a stick in his hand. But she had good nerves, and he kept trying, and soon they were best buddies. She also got over her fear of men in general, and would no longer try to run and hide if one approached her.

 

@ Bob: LOL!