Czech pedigree define??? - Page 12

@Boomer who said:hans how the heck can you sit there and say that the owner is working that dog in defense and then its naturally defusing? it seems like the dog is listening to the leash holder and not the agitator. if the agitator was the owner and the dog was naturally defusing then why didnt he walk up and pet it after it "defused"? 

Boomer calm down. I do not know "how the heck" how you can not tell.   I can tell and more experienced observrers can tell.That you can not tell is probabbly stemming from your novice lack of observation ability of such display and lack of experience in these matters. It is OK as you get older you too will learn . 

FYI:Nobody is holding leash at the beginning of the video and at the  timer  of 0:23 + the  dog is beautifully naturally defusing. If you can nto see it then you have a lot to learn. And since you do not speak Czech you can not tell that the "leash holder" is nowhere defusing the dog. So the dog was not "listening to the leash holder"  nor the aggitator. That is why I called it naturally defused. Why he did not go and pet the dog ? I do not know.  How do you know that he did not. Just because it is not on the video does not mean that it did not happnen. The video was not presented to show  natural defusinon of the dog, That was just something I have observed. 

I hope this helps. 

 Take care. 

this is about the most arrogant and non-informational response on the internet.  it is the same as saying;

i can tell it's true because i can tell and people that can tell (agree with hans) can also tell, and if they can't tell (disagree with hans) i can tell they are not experienced enough to tell. i can also tell you that if you tell me you can not tell then i tell you lack the expereince to tell.

 

the telling is very telling and this is william tell;

 

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" I can tell and more experienced observrers can tell.That you can not tell is probabbly stemming from your novice lack of observation ability of such display and lack of experience in these matters. It is OK as you get older you too will learn . "

vk4gsd what are you "missing"? Like usually -  Everything.  LOL  So you think that every video should show all the skill of the  dog? I wonder why your videos do not do so. FYI  the video just show natural protectiveness display to the client since he asked for it.  That si what the video is all about.  The quality which Joan inappropriately ascribed to the  video was not the original  intention of the video maker. So  to say that the dog should do building search of leach on this video  is irrelevant to this  video and such comment is illogical.   It would be akin to  asking  why the dog on the video is not showing truffle hunting skills or bird pointing . The answer? : BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT THE VIDEO is ABOUT. I can't believe that I am actually wasting my time on this  trolling.

well spend more time learning reading comprehension.

 

i merely remarked that as a customer (who the video was made for) i would want to see a lot more than that in a prospect at 18mo. i also said the average pound mutt around here could do same. i thought it was interesting a sales video made for a customer to be such low level.

 

that is just my opinion if i were assessing a dog for possible purchase over the internet, other people can do whatever they want, can make their own choices, spend their own money any way they please and use whatever data they see fit.

i really do not care about the dog, the customer or anything else in the clip excpet for how much it looks like a dog prison with attention starved dogs and no evidence of any high level training.

 

I think it is your reading comprehension.

As I said .  THE CUSTOMER REQUESTED this PARTICULAR  video on a  DISPLAY OF NATURAL PROTECTIVENESS of THIS PARTICULAR DOG.  He got about 10 other videos. I do not have any  idea why Joan dig this vparticular video  out somewhere.  You need to ask her. 

LOL Thank you for concern and trying to advice us how to sell dogs. geez. 

defuse, confuse, short fuse loving it

Hans, I did not ask if what the video showed was 'criteria' for oldschoolczech dog. I asked if it was the 'type of dog' you called old TYPE czech. Stop twisting my words around, please. Like what 'quality' did I supposedly 'inappropriately ascribed to the video'? All I asked was if that's the 'type' dog you consider OLD TYPE CZECH DOG'. What the heck are you talking about 'stop Backpeddaling"' ! The only one backpedaling on this thred is you....you have exemplified what I mean when I say the the term Old Czech, All Czech in describing dogs is used as Sales Hyp. You are as clear on this whole discussion asmud. You can't even say if the dog in the video, being worked by jiri and at jinopo even looks like type that is old czech dog. You are the one who said jiri claims what's back in a dog's pedigree doesnt matter, that OLDSChool czech dogs is a TYPE of dog...so i posted a video with jiri at jinopo working a dog and asked if that dog is old TYPE. You have literally made up your version of responses in a very feable attempt to support your weakly thought out argument that this video shows a dog with 'natural difusion', (which you claim is being 'bred out of the gsd', another sale's pitch) but doesn't show a old type Czech dog or was it an owner working his own dog in defense and any family member will follow suit in case the dog needs to kill them before one of them tries to kill the owner?....or some other such nonsense you make up.
I'm done before I make the admins angry at me.

I´m not really interested in the definition of "oldschoolczech dogs", because I only believe in good dogs/bad dogs, but I´m really interested in the kind of "kennels" that are used in the video.
In case the dogs have to live in these "cells" (kennels?), the person(s) who is (are) responsible for this kind of scandal, could sell the best dogs of the world, they wouldn´t get one cent from me. It´s disgusting.
Even in Eastern Europe people should have developed, all the more if they are making their living with the money they earn out of these dogs.

Yogidog: funny post,.... do you know what it is means when someone says defuse the dog? I mean it friendly way. It is an important training feature. 

Joan: BTW Joan the word  is "defuse" not  "natural difusion" .  And nowhere have i said that Natural defusing is bred out of the dog. So LOL stop tvisitng my words and as i adviced to you many times tead first what you criticize. 

 And Joan if you do not think that natural protectiveness is not being bred out of GSD then you must not been paying attention for last 20 years of so. Maybe you should go out and see the world a little.

  The kennels are old and worn out. Yes those kennels are old and bars are rusted. The kennels are warm in the winter and cool in the summer, with wooden floor and fresh saw dust every day  cleaned up 2x per day   and dogs are there only there  for few hours a day during feeding and training time where they get cooked meat from wild game, never mind that the dogs are in prime shape, trained or walked everyday 2 x by 8 employees. They are  well trained and well adjusted and well bred  and loved. 

 Prager Hans

 

 

 

Mod edit. Personal insults removed, more than one member aggreed on the kennels, myself included, so do not single out one member for your rudeness. Thank you. mrdarcy (mod)