Milo's Necropsy Report - Page 12

"Selling dogs on limited registration doesn't impress me either...so she can breed dogs that don't meet any semblance of the standard for the breed but no one else can?  She is essentially preventing her puppy buyers from doing exactly the same thing she is doing.  Ironic; huh?"


I agree.

Hypocritical and pure bullshit IMO.  I have seen so many breeders that breed crap and yet think they can pass themselves off as responsible breeders by pulling that stunt.
Many times it is to eliminate competition.

I have a different take on limited registration, I like that option. I see nothing "wrong" with selling a pet quality puppy with a LR. Before AKC offered that, we had to sell pets with neutering agreements that sometimes backfired if the dog turned out to be better than originally thought.  With LR the breeder can rescind it so the dog can be bred and shown in the future. I don't look at an LR as a way to elminate competition, I consider it a good way to keep pet quality dogs from producing dogs that are eligible for registration. What's the alternative?

The breed club I belonged to at the time required each member to sign and agree to abide by a Code of Ethics. One of these Codes said that all pet puppies MUST go with neutering agreements. So either we agreed to that in writing or we couldn't renew our membership. I think that's a common requirement in most AKC breed clubs.




 

Yeah, I'm not defending the "star spangled kennels" and their over-priced dogs but I'm going to have to call bullshit on this one.  I know plenty of hobby breeders who work their asses off training and trialing their dogs and put tens of thousands of miles on their vehicles to drag them halfway across the country to put them in a show that they could only hope to win against virtually insurmountable odds.  They sell their dogs in the same price range as this "kennel" and typically operate at a loss.  They do so because they truly care for the breed and adherence to the standard is the right thing to do.  Those people's efforts should be rewarded; they've earned it.  Patchwork is breeding dogs for one reason...income.

If that were true then she would make a lot more money if she didn't ofa and offer to take the dogs back, BYB don't do that. I see a huge pride thing going on, breeders name their kennels after themselves, all claiming the PERFECT bloodline belongs to them and everyone else is BYB. 

SV rules, each (1) German Shepherd stud dog is allowed to have a maximum of ""90 breedings per year""" 60 German / 30 foreign. With an average litter size of 5-6 puppies (8-10?), this can be around 500 puppies per year. BREED THE DOG TO DEATH! 

500 puppies X's $1,800 some are sold for $2,500 $3,500, $10,000 and UP!  Like how broke are these breeders?  Wonder if they pay the IRS?!?!? I randomly took the above statistics off a breeders webpage so you guys can hash out the truthfulness in the SV statement as I don't know, I am not, or want to be in your Knights-of- the- Round -Table-Club thingy you got going on!  Caution, may cause you to lose next time or not get that approval rating, maybe reprimanded for something, kicked out for a year.

Mcap and others,,

I understand the loss as I lost my 12 month old male King from the same heart condition with the same terrible scenario..

King was purchased after almost two years of research. Mind you, I did not have half the knowledge I have today, but the breeder I chose was the ultimate BYB with all the bells and whistles..Words like "family companion" "old fashion" blah, blah, blah,,all the right words and a beautiful website..

However, she sold me a puppy who had ectopic ureter and that died at 12 months old of a sudden heart attack..She blamed me for not giving him the supplement she sold..She offered me 100$ off another 1,000$ puppy..:(    The male she used for breeding was sold to a pet home about two years later after producing a dozen or so litters. >sigh<

My current male Prince is from the same breeder as Milo,physically Prince could not be more handsome and healthy then he is now..Although Prince's temperament is questionable..

**By the way Mcap, We did not get a bill of sale or paper guarantee either,,The look on mine and my husbands faces when when we paid in cash and received no receipts, guarantee, or registration paper was priceless..But our cute little puppy made it all better...> I guess<

Bottom line there is no guarantee with any puppy, but I agree with Keith's post. We have an obligation to our breed to be very careful about what breeders we support..

Mcap,,at this point I am sure the deal is sealed so I am hoping all the best for you and your new puppy..

Deanna..

When I think of a BYB I don't envision a breeder who xrays hips and elbows or uses dogs with recognizable pedigrees. Those are all added costs that cut into bottom line profits. A BYB IMO is the breeder who breeds RinTinTin XXX to Doll Baby XXX with no thought to xrays or health checks. There are also BYB's who buy breeding stock from well known kennels to try to legitimize their litters, but who still do no health checks before breeding.



 

This thread makes me want to go out and buy a cat.

"500 puppies X's $1,800 some are sold for $2,500 $3,500, $10,000 and UP!"

You're still hung up on the large commercial breeders, not the smaller hobby breeders.  My current dog has more VA's in his pedigree than you can shake a stick at including multiple world siegers.  I paid $1,200.00 for him...$1,500.00 if you count the money I spent to pay for gas so the breeder could drive here from the east coast to bring him to me...and bring his sire out so I could see him work!  Granted, I've been around for a minute or two and have made some friends in the dog world but there are excellent dogs available at a reasonable price if you look for them.

I like your posts, Deanna.  You are the 4th person I know whose young GSD dog died in the same untimely manner. That must be the ultimate heartbreak.

I agree that we should be careful who we support. Having an AKC CH makes me wonder just how much support I would get here if I bred her although she is titled and CHIC certified. I think recommending a good breeder is subjective and has a different meaning for most of us on this board.

"When I think of a BYB I don't envision a breeder who xrays hips and elbows or uses dogs with recognizable pedigrees."

It costs a few hundred dollars to OFA a dog.  Lots of people spend more than that every month on gas to get to and from training.

They sure do, Keith, and they wouldn't shout BYB to me either if they do either or both. Which is more important? That would be a tough decision for me, I'd opt to buy from a breeder who just does it all.