Hock walker? - Page 12

Hey Blitzen,if you are referring to my post, "A person doesn't have to go to SV shows........" then I would appreciate it if you stop twisting and adding content to what I post. I didn't even mention AKC, and I didn't say, "show lines bred in the US today" . SV shows are not the only venue one has the opportunity to observe s/ls. SchH clubs, herding classes(although the numbers of gsd of any type are limited at typical herding clubs), obedience classes, etc. And a person can see structure on video or stills of SV shows held any where in the world, you don't have to attend in person. Lots of ways to see things nowadays with out having to so much as walk across the street. Just say'n....

I agree FLRanger, it's rediculous!

Hasn't the SL vs WL been talked to death, insideout, end to end, side to side, I think you get the point.

You mentioned the ASL's and the showring, Joanro; I figured you had seen a lot of SV shows since  you seem to know so much about those dogs.  Have you seen any in person within the last 5 or so years? I'm not sure it's prudent to pass judgement  based on the photos some post to this board and elsewhere. Videos are good I guess, but I'd rather see a dog in the flesh before shoving them under the bus. When I was curious about WL's I went to some trials and classes and found out that all the bad things I'd heard about them weren't necessarily true.

This is what you said. I just figured you had seen a lot of SL dogs at shows. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 Perhaps you believe that a true description of the activity in the show ring is derogatory and cutting off at knees of their breeders, I don't. 


Not sure why anyone would read this if they weren't interested in the topic

Because we wanted to learn about the definition of a "Hawk Walker", pretty simple ah?

Hockwalking is exactly what it says - it's a dog with so much angulation that he can't straighten his hock so that he can stand with it at a right angle to the ground. Their hocks are shaped like sickles and when they walk they can't land squarely on their rear pads. Instead they walk on the backs of their hocks. There are degrees of hockwalking, some dogs are worse than others. It cannot be seen when a dog gaits in grass, the dog must be gaited on a solid surface and viewed from the side.

This is an interesting photo of a for sale WL female posted here.

Blitzen, I'm very sorry you are so confused about my post concerning not going or going to SV shows. You might look back a tad and you can see that I was commenting to gsdguy saying he had not been to SV shows and yet he has seen GSL dogs. In other words, to put it in simpler terms for you, GSL dogs don't only exist in SV shows. As to your direct question to me, have I been to any SV shows? Take a deep seat Blitzen, 'cause I'm about to blow your mind! YES!! I even had my GSL dog entered in TWO of them. How's that grab ya? By the short ones I bet! You are special, I'm sure, but not more special than us commoners who have actually been there done that crap. I don't usually talk out my butt, usually I speak from experience. Have good day:)

Blitzen thanks for sharing.  So, if I understand the very first picture posted by GSDguy08 would be "hock" while the picture you just posted is more "normal"?  If I oversimplified the issue I apologize, but this post has made me curious how my pup is structured....

Blitzen,

I heartily agree, she's a little east west in the front but otherwise she is lovely to look at, nice topline, good proportions and no exagerations in angulations. Strong hocks and pasterns.
If she's got good temperament then she's true to the standard and fit to do what she will be trained for. 

Ibrahim