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by GSDPACK on 09 January 2012 - 05:01
No witch hunt!!!
No personal vendeta, I only asked a question and hunger4 justice came unglued...for some crazy reason...
And no I dont think those are horrendous hips, but they are not the best either. I would not count much on injury....
by workingdogz on 09 January 2012 - 10:01
hungerforjustice wrote:
"She made the breed better and she improved what both her dogs can bring to the table."
"I don't know why you are so obsessed with bashing Jean Schraderhaus's Caleb but nothing was hidden inluding the X-Rays and every single person who got a pup is delighted.
Couple of points then I am leaving this whole mess alone, this breeding speaks much to the ethics of the said breeder.
It's fantastic that you think so highly of the sire, I would hope you did if you overlooked all common sense and purchased a puppy from a male with
no working titles whatsoever, not even a simple CD or BH and no hip/elbow certification at the very minimum.
Was this puppy from the litter that had parvo?
Don't for a second think this breeding & breeder "improved the breed" though, JHC THAT is a stretch!
And it's a great big slap in the face to all the breeders who bust their balls and title/test prove their dogs!
We will never know what this sire "brings to the table" because he has never been tested in a structured
internationally/nationally recognized format such as AKC, UKC, SchH etc. Not even a simple CD-what dog can't do THAT? Seriously.
All we have is the owner/breeders word how wonderful he is, and many novices that have seen this dog and claim his greatness in his own backyard.
Our neighbors have a small yap-yap dog that seems SUPER behind his fence too, but shits his pants when he goes out into the real world.
ALL dogs are great in their owners backyard, at least they should be, again, at the bare minimum.
Sure, the dog "runs and jumps fine", now go back and revisit the DM thread where one year a dog is trying to climb a tree to get a squirrel,
and the next he cannot stand.
Not saying the dog has DM, just pointing out how quickly things can change. Take this same wonder-dog out and start asking him to work,
AWAY from his home, start doing obedience, exercises out of motion, travel to a training group too,
then trial him outside his back yard and see what that brings, see if "Mr Wonderful" keeps his shit together or falls apart.
As far as bashing "Jean @ Schraderhaus's male", I don't beleive anyone has even mentioned Jeans name until you did.
This was about the breeding done by "vom Eisenherz" not Schraderhaus.
For the record, the breeder of your wonderpup that outclasses "world class" dogs, has talked more than enough trash
about the breeder of her "Mr Wonderful" all on her own on more than website, but no one else in this thread did.
This breeding that this breeder did also speaks volumes to the defence of another infamous broker/breeder duo.
Let's all now roll way back to the OP, if all the back and forth in this thread hasn't shed light on many things, well, I don't know what would after this.
Now said breeder can come back on and talk alot of smack and take shots at everyone else,
roll her eyes etc like she normally does when confronted with things.
She will also become "busy" if the heat gets too much.
Thats called avoidance in the dog world, but you would have to leave your backyard to learn that.
She will also say she is flattered by the attention, and perhaps elude to the fact that we are obessesed with her.
I assure, there is no obession, just wore out from all the bullshit that gets slung most of the time.
To those that have puppies from this breeding, it's wonderful that they are "all that" to you,
let's hope/see if they still are at 2 when/if you go to xray.
If anyone else came along and made excuses as to why the male they used was not hip/elbow certified etc,
this board would tear them apart, even those that own puppies from "Mr Wonderful" would, because they have also stated the need to test/title!
It's less than $100.00 to certify a dog through OFA, but I guess it would cost you more when you have to
continue to re-take xrays until you get "just the right shot" right?
Newsflash, all the re-taking, all the excuses about "how hard a dog is on his body" etc can't change fact.
Plenty of multiple SchH3 high level competition dogs go on to be re-xrayed at a later age and the hips are fine, show barely if any wear.
These are dogs that are "hard on their bodies" and trained heavily daily, most times in all 3 phases.
You don't get to the Nationals/Worlds by sitting at home on your ass typing on a keyboard.
Once again to those looking to purchase, find breeders that test & title their own dogs, here or abroad.
To the OP, you don't have to look far for a decent pup, you stated you were more than pleased with your Malinois purchase,
go back to that breeder and enlist their help (compensate them!) and they will personally find you a super pup I am sure.
"She made the breed better and she improved what both her dogs can bring to the table."
"I don't know why you are so obsessed with bashing Jean Schraderhaus's Caleb but nothing was hidden inluding the X-Rays and every single person who got a pup is delighted.
Couple of points then I am leaving this whole mess alone, this breeding speaks much to the ethics of the said breeder.
It's fantastic that you think so highly of the sire, I would hope you did if you overlooked all common sense and purchased a puppy from a male with
no working titles whatsoever, not even a simple CD or BH and no hip/elbow certification at the very minimum.
Was this puppy from the litter that had parvo?
Don't for a second think this breeding & breeder "improved the breed" though, JHC THAT is a stretch!
And it's a great big slap in the face to all the breeders who bust their balls and title/test prove their dogs!
We will never know what this sire "brings to the table" because he has never been tested in a structured
internationally/nationally recognized format such as AKC, UKC, SchH etc. Not even a simple CD-what dog can't do THAT? Seriously.
All we have is the owner/breeders word how wonderful he is, and many novices that have seen this dog and claim his greatness in his own backyard.
Our neighbors have a small yap-yap dog that seems SUPER behind his fence too, but shits his pants when he goes out into the real world.
ALL dogs are great in their owners backyard, at least they should be, again, at the bare minimum.
Sure, the dog "runs and jumps fine", now go back and revisit the DM thread where one year a dog is trying to climb a tree to get a squirrel,
and the next he cannot stand.
Not saying the dog has DM, just pointing out how quickly things can change. Take this same wonder-dog out and start asking him to work,
AWAY from his home, start doing obedience, exercises out of motion, travel to a training group too,
then trial him outside his back yard and see what that brings, see if "Mr Wonderful" keeps his shit together or falls apart.
As far as bashing "Jean @ Schraderhaus's male", I don't beleive anyone has even mentioned Jeans name until you did.
This was about the breeding done by "vom Eisenherz" not Schraderhaus.
For the record, the breeder of your wonderpup that outclasses "world class" dogs, has talked more than enough trash
about the breeder of her "Mr Wonderful" all on her own on more than website, but no one else in this thread did.
This breeding that this breeder did also speaks volumes to the defence of another infamous broker/breeder duo.
Let's all now roll way back to the OP, if all the back and forth in this thread hasn't shed light on many things, well, I don't know what would after this.
Now said breeder can come back on and talk alot of smack and take shots at everyone else,
roll her eyes etc like she normally does when confronted with things.
She will also become "busy" if the heat gets too much.
Thats called avoidance in the dog world, but you would have to leave your backyard to learn that.
She will also say she is flattered by the attention, and perhaps elude to the fact that we are obessesed with her.
I assure, there is no obession, just wore out from all the bullshit that gets slung most of the time.
To those that have puppies from this breeding, it's wonderful that they are "all that" to you,
let's hope/see if they still are at 2 when/if you go to xray.
If anyone else came along and made excuses as to why the male they used was not hip/elbow certified etc,
this board would tear them apart, even those that own puppies from "Mr Wonderful" would, because they have also stated the need to test/title!
It's less than $100.00 to certify a dog through OFA, but I guess it would cost you more when you have to
continue to re-take xrays until you get "just the right shot" right?
Newsflash, all the re-taking, all the excuses about "how hard a dog is on his body" etc can't change fact.
Plenty of multiple SchH3 high level competition dogs go on to be re-xrayed at a later age and the hips are fine, show barely if any wear.
These are dogs that are "hard on their bodies" and trained heavily daily, most times in all 3 phases.
You don't get to the Nationals/Worlds by sitting at home on your ass typing on a keyboard.
Once again to those looking to purchase, find breeders that test & title their own dogs, here or abroad.
To the OP, you don't have to look far for a decent pup, you stated you were more than pleased with your Malinois purchase,
go back to that breeder and enlist their help (compensate them!) and they will personally find you a super pup I am sure.
by Red Sable on 09 January 2012 - 11:01
"I have world class dogs "
Hunger that is quite a claim to make about ones dogs. Do you have proof such as titles to back that up?
This is the internet after all, and we can all make whatever claims we want.
by beetree on 09 January 2012 - 13:01
Maybe, it's about hyperbole, how it is all too common. And excuses for not doing what should be done, to deserve that hyperbole, how it too, is all too common.
by Blitzen on 09 January 2012 - 13:01
I hate that term "world class". The last WC dog I had bite me 2 times, bit my husband 1 time, had perianal fistulas and rectal cancer. My first was advertised as WC by a WC breeder. Dead at 7 1/2 from leukemia.
by Gustav on 09 January 2012 - 13:01
Those hips are fine for function. People who breed hips are just as obnoxious as those that breed fronts and angles....eventually they end up with serious mental issues.
by hunger4justice on 09 January 2012 - 14:01
I have puppies and yes, their WUSV and BSP peds stand for themselves. Titles alone do not make the dog. Caleb is a working dog. When you insult their lineage, you insult not Jennifer or Caleb, but those that created him. I don't care if you have not seen him work, it is what I know and have seen that matters to me. TRUST YOURSELF. My Leefdaalhof grandson comes from titles and working (not just sport, which they also have, but WORKING on the streets in real life) dogs. I am not breeding my dogs. I do not intend to allow my dogs to be bred until and unless they are Koerklassed and then only once or twice in a lifetime. (And they are all males)
I can tell you one thing workingdogz and GSDPACK who's own dogs are NOT DM tested or at least not for US TO SEE....From the two of you, I wonder how many reading this would ever want to deal with such vindctive and bitter breeders who do not do what they want Jennifer to do themselves. Funnty how every single person who has ever gotten a puppy from Jennifer is delighted with their dogs and you sure don't see them complaining. Thank you for admitting the hips the Jean Schrader bred and sold to Jennifer are not going to impair function. They haven't. Some of us do buy dogs for FUNCTION for real life WORK as well as sport.
I can tell you one thing workingdogz and GSDPACK who's own dogs are NOT DM tested or at least not for US TO SEE....From the two of you, I wonder how many reading this would ever want to deal with such vindctive and bitter breeders who do not do what they want Jennifer to do themselves. Funnty how every single person who has ever gotten a puppy from Jennifer is delighted with their dogs and you sure don't see them complaining. Thank you for admitting the hips the Jean Schrader bred and sold to Jennifer are not going to impair function. They haven't. Some of us do buy dogs for FUNCTION for real life WORK as well as sport.
by workingdogz on 09 January 2012 - 14:01
We don't breed.
Haven't had a litter in well over a decade.
But when we did breed,
we tested for everything
we could, and titled/koered our dogs.
by Jenni78 on 09 January 2012 - 15:01
Cliff, please don't introduce logic. I'm afraid the "ladies" might just blow a gasket. You know how women loathe logic and reasoning.
Mfh, you too. Why would you try to enlighted anyone with facts? What in tarnation are you thinking?! This is the PDB for goodness sakes!!!
Posting facts will get you nowhere, ma'am.
Hunger, you just flat out are not allowed an opinion. Duh. You've been to my house, stayed at my house, hung out with the dogs, talked to people who have WORKED MY DOGS EXTENSIVELY...and you've worked your own dogs with some pretty reputable folks whose opinions most on here would trust. Therefore, since you are speaking on FACTS vs. lies and made up crap reminiscent of something out of a bad LSD trip or Desperate Housewives (hmmm...maybe I'm on to something), what you say does not count. Again, the rules of the PDB. Please review said rules with mfh27 before you pull such a stunt again!
It's kind of funny how hard you "ladies" try to get me all upset and how YOU fly off the handle when people who actually know me AND MY DOGS don't have a bad thing to say! You get angry when I make a joke out of it, but it IS a joke! All of it! You've changed your focus from jumping on the bandwagon and attacking breeders who have complaining customers to mudslinging breeders who have no complaining customers, only recommending ones. Perhaps a new hobby is in order? It seems a tad...insane, for lack of a better word.
This was a thread about breeders you trust and some addled brains decided to try and make it a personal vendetta because (my best guess...but I admit I'm at a loss to understand this kind of mentality) I had/have the audacity to speak out against a large group if I feel the mob action is getting out of control and clouding the premise. Ever since I suggested that the fat/ugly/Czech jokes were only making certain members look worse than Hans, the witch hunt has been directed at me. Check the timeline. It's typical form for the usual suspects.
This is a forum about DOGS. I'm on here because I am obsessed with dogs. Before I had my son, pretty much all I did was work dogs, hang out with dogs, bring dogs to my own work, board dogs, talk dogs, etc. My favorite thing was to drive 700 miles for a 2 day trip many many times just to train with a particular person, who imo, is the best dog handler/trainer I've ever witnessed. A person or two on this thread would vouch for this individual and understand why I chose to do that rather than and spend 1/2 hour out of an 8 hour day on a "training" field where everyone just backstabs and gossips. <shrug> So, my oldest GSD was never titled. Big deal. Anyone wanting a pup was free to test him as they pleased. Most were happy talking to people who had worked him and seen photos of him working. When people who have any facts at all, based on experience with me, start complaining, then I'll answer it in detail. But why bother with a sewing circle of bored old ladies who will just ignore facts anyway? Every time one of your allegations or theories is shot down, you just move to something else, never admitting you were wrong. I'm sure there's a mental health term for that, but it escapes me at the moment.
I don't come on here to pick someone out of a crowd and make feeble attempts to tear them down. I never have. Show me any thread that I've just bashed and insulted and just plain hated on someone I didn't have personal experience with. I don't do that. It's not my style. It's tacky, undignified, cruel, and even if you're "right" about certain things (like in Chrissy's thread) you never, ever, come out clean when you behave that way. Take the high road and let the chips fall where they may. The truth ALWAYS comes out in the end. Some of you have made online lynch mobs an intricate part of your lives. When you tell the truth, you don't have to remember to keep stories straight. Keep at it- keep bashing me, keep making things up you think someone else will believe...whatever floats your boat. I just wish I had enough puppies to sell to the kind people who you keep sending me.
Mfh, you too. Why would you try to enlighted anyone with facts? What in tarnation are you thinking?! This is the PDB for goodness sakes!!!
Posting facts will get you nowhere, ma'am. Hunger, you just flat out are not allowed an opinion. Duh. You've been to my house, stayed at my house, hung out with the dogs, talked to people who have WORKED MY DOGS EXTENSIVELY...and you've worked your own dogs with some pretty reputable folks whose opinions most on here would trust. Therefore, since you are speaking on FACTS vs. lies and made up crap reminiscent of something out of a bad LSD trip or Desperate Housewives (hmmm...maybe I'm on to something), what you say does not count. Again, the rules of the PDB. Please review said rules with mfh27 before you pull such a stunt again!
It's kind of funny how hard you "ladies" try to get me all upset and how YOU fly off the handle when people who actually know me AND MY DOGS don't have a bad thing to say! You get angry when I make a joke out of it, but it IS a joke! All of it! You've changed your focus from jumping on the bandwagon and attacking breeders who have complaining customers to mudslinging breeders who have no complaining customers, only recommending ones. Perhaps a new hobby is in order? It seems a tad...insane, for lack of a better word.
This was a thread about breeders you trust and some addled brains decided to try and make it a personal vendetta because (my best guess...but I admit I'm at a loss to understand this kind of mentality) I had/have the audacity to speak out against a large group if I feel the mob action is getting out of control and clouding the premise. Ever since I suggested that the fat/ugly/Czech jokes were only making certain members look worse than Hans, the witch hunt has been directed at me. Check the timeline. It's typical form for the usual suspects.
This is a forum about DOGS. I'm on here because I am obsessed with dogs. Before I had my son, pretty much all I did was work dogs, hang out with dogs, bring dogs to my own work, board dogs, talk dogs, etc. My favorite thing was to drive 700 miles for a 2 day trip many many times just to train with a particular person, who imo, is the best dog handler/trainer I've ever witnessed. A person or two on this thread would vouch for this individual and understand why I chose to do that rather than and spend 1/2 hour out of an 8 hour day on a "training" field where everyone just backstabs and gossips. <shrug> So, my oldest GSD was never titled. Big deal. Anyone wanting a pup was free to test him as they pleased. Most were happy talking to people who had worked him and seen photos of him working. When people who have any facts at all, based on experience with me, start complaining, then I'll answer it in detail. But why bother with a sewing circle of bored old ladies who will just ignore facts anyway? Every time one of your allegations or theories is shot down, you just move to something else, never admitting you were wrong. I'm sure there's a mental health term for that, but it escapes me at the moment.
I don't come on here to pick someone out of a crowd and make feeble attempts to tear them down. I never have. Show me any thread that I've just bashed and insulted and just plain hated on someone I didn't have personal experience with. I don't do that. It's not my style. It's tacky, undignified, cruel, and even if you're "right" about certain things (like in Chrissy's thread) you never, ever, come out clean when you behave that way. Take the high road and let the chips fall where they may. The truth ALWAYS comes out in the end. Some of you have made online lynch mobs an intricate part of your lives. When you tell the truth, you don't have to remember to keep stories straight. Keep at it- keep bashing me, keep making things up you think someone else will believe...whatever floats your boat. I just wish I had enough puppies to sell to the kind people who you keep sending me.
by frankm205 on 09 January 2012 - 15:01
Red Sable this is very true. I think many here couldn't handle a real world class dog. Then again a world class dog is different to everyone. Some think their dog who was never titled, or worked the streets is world calss. Others think it's all about what the dog produces, some think a world class dog sits around all day eating cookies and watching their owner defend proor breeders on PDB. At the end of the day I guess we all have a world class dog.
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