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by workingdogz on 30 December 2011 - 00:12
I agree with Abby, I don't think the dog needs the surgery tomorrow, but, he does need it soon.
I think Chrissy would be well advised to get the dog as fit as she can, finding a pool would be the best,
so finding one on a horse farm in her area might be a good option. Check with Arabian horse breeders, or thoroughbreds.
Get him going on some good HLA/Glucosamine supplements as well. Basically get him in the best condition she can prior to surgery.
Chrissy you should also get in touch with Ladyfrost, she can perhaps impart some good tips for you too.
It's nice to see people coming forward with offers of donation. Abby, you might do best to get an international money order and mail it directly to Chrissy or her vet?
Those of us here in the USA & Canada can perhaps donate by credit card over the phone, or money order/check to the vet clinic.
I think Chrissy would be well advised to get the dog as fit as she can, finding a pool would be the best,
so finding one on a horse farm in her area might be a good option. Check with Arabian horse breeders, or thoroughbreds.
Get him going on some good HLA/Glucosamine supplements as well. Basically get him in the best condition she can prior to surgery.
Chrissy you should also get in touch with Ladyfrost, she can perhaps impart some good tips for you too.
It's nice to see people coming forward with offers of donation. Abby, you might do best to get an international money order and mail it directly to Chrissy or her vet?
Those of us here in the USA & Canada can perhaps donate by credit card over the phone, or money order/check to the vet clinic.
by JakodaCD OA on 30 December 2011 - 00:12
I think Chrissy is off to work (saw this in a previous post), and I'm sure she will be overwhelmed with the kindness you all are showing when she comes back to check this thread:)
by LARHAGE on 30 December 2011 - 01:12
I think if we can get the phone number for the Vet of choice that would be helpful for everyone, I'm in for 50.00 Chrissy and Kaiser, may he be pain free soon :)
by Olga Ashley on 30 December 2011 - 01:12
Chrissy may want to try an online fundraising site, like http://www.firstgiving.com/, I know some rescues have used fundraising sites to raise money for medical needs of certian dogs. I think $1,300 for an FHO is very reasonable. Hang in there Chrissy & Kaiser!
by EuroShepherd on 30 December 2011 - 01:12
What heartbreak. Often it's hard to discern what the cause of a dog's dysplacia came from. But this is clearly congenital.
I have a friend who raises GSDs and a someone bought one of his pups who also turned out severely dysplastic. Was x-rayed at around 5 months. In this case the owner of the pup decided they would not be able to help the dog financially or with the hands-on care the dog needed so they gave her back to my friend in exchange for a new puppy. A veterinary student adopted the pup and was able to give all the care and vet services the pup needed. Another tragic story with a happy ending.
If I had the money I would be donating for Kaiser's surgery too, I wish him and Chrissy all the best. A dog with good temperament, spirit and will to live deserves life.
I myself was born with a lot of medical conditions and I've suffered a lot of pain and disability in my life. Sometimes the pain was bad enough that I did want to die. But I'm glad I had people there to help me, I'm glad there were medical services available for me. I want to live, even if I have to live with discomfort and pain, I'm still able to enjoy living. I think animals feel the same way.
I have a friend who raises GSDs and a someone bought one of his pups who also turned out severely dysplastic. Was x-rayed at around 5 months. In this case the owner of the pup decided they would not be able to help the dog financially or with the hands-on care the dog needed so they gave her back to my friend in exchange for a new puppy. A veterinary student adopted the pup and was able to give all the care and vet services the pup needed. Another tragic story with a happy ending.
If I had the money I would be donating for Kaiser's surgery too, I wish him and Chrissy all the best. A dog with good temperament, spirit and will to live deserves life.
I myself was born with a lot of medical conditions and I've suffered a lot of pain and disability in my life. Sometimes the pain was bad enough that I did want to die. But I'm glad I had people there to help me, I'm glad there were medical services available for me. I want to live, even if I have to live with discomfort and pain, I'm still able to enjoy living. I think animals feel the same way.
by mfh27 on 30 December 2011 - 02:12
Chrissy, I'd like to donate a small amount to help with surgery. My heart goes out to you and your pup!
Is it $1300 per hip? or total? If the breeder were to refund Chrissy the purchase price of the puppy, it would cover a good amount of the surgery, if not all of it, no?
Is it $1300 per hip? or total? If the breeder were to refund Chrissy the purchase price of the puppy, it would cover a good amount of the surgery, if not all of it, no?
by ChrissyKim89 on 30 December 2011 - 02:12
Wow, you guys are all so amazing; I only came here looking for advice and emotional support, but you guys have gone above and beyond. I honestly appreciate it, your offers of help brings tears to my eyes. I think Abby is right, I will take my boy for a consultation with an orthopedic specialist and see what they recommend. For a bit of good news, I talked to the vet I work for today and he is willing to do the FHO if I feel that is the next step. I will get an estimate tomorrow for the procedure; if I decide to get it done while I'm still working there I will get a 50% discount on the total cost so hopefully it is a lot cheaper then $2500. I had thought something like an FHO was for a specialist only, but apparently it isn't. In the event I do decide on surgery it probably won't be for another month or more so I have time to find a place for him to swim to help him get more fit.
I think the biggest thing for me regarding whether or not surgery is necessary is his quality of life before vs after. Right now I know he is in pain. Maybe not constantly, but it does affect his QoL to some degree. I had always thought he was just a mellow pup because he never really wanted to run or jump or all the things puppies normally do unless I played on his prey drive with his flirt pole, toys, etc. I thought it was just his personality. I thought his whining while running after the flirt pole was just pano or frustration, but now I realize his hips were hurting. He can't even walk 2 miles without whining afterwards trying to get up. I want him to be able to run, jump, and be a crazy, normal dog, but is that enough to head right to surgery? Will he be able to live a normal life after recovery? I think eventually he will absolutely need it to maintain QoL because alternative treatment can only help so much, but does he need it now? So much to think about...
And for those of you who were curious, my breeder did email me back this morning. He only offered a replacement with shipping at no charge when I felt I was ready for another dog as per the contract. Honestly, I did not expect much more then that; I was surprised he even tossed in the shipping cost really since he's not even obligated to that much. I won't be ready for another dog for awhile though.
I think the biggest thing for me regarding whether or not surgery is necessary is his quality of life before vs after. Right now I know he is in pain. Maybe not constantly, but it does affect his QoL to some degree. I had always thought he was just a mellow pup because he never really wanted to run or jump or all the things puppies normally do unless I played on his prey drive with his flirt pole, toys, etc. I thought it was just his personality. I thought his whining while running after the flirt pole was just pano or frustration, but now I realize his hips were hurting. He can't even walk 2 miles without whining afterwards trying to get up. I want him to be able to run, jump, and be a crazy, normal dog, but is that enough to head right to surgery? Will he be able to live a normal life after recovery? I think eventually he will absolutely need it to maintain QoL because alternative treatment can only help so much, but does he need it now? So much to think about...
And for those of you who were curious, my breeder did email me back this morning. He only offered a replacement with shipping at no charge when I felt I was ready for another dog as per the contract. Honestly, I did not expect much more then that; I was surprised he even tossed in the shipping cost really since he's not even obligated to that much. I won't be ready for another dog for awhile though.
by Chaz Reinhold on 30 December 2011 - 02:12
Just curious if this is from the inbred litter?
by Slamdunc on 30 December 2011 - 03:12
chaz,
No, different litter.
I love when breeders know that someone can not take another dog and are bonded with their pup and then offer the replacement. Knowing full well the replacement will never be taken. A truly compassionate person would offer financial assistance as many here are doing. I'm sorry, but I feel that when breeders say "return the pup and I will replace it" is BS, especially when it comes to crippling or debilitating health defects.
I am really impressed with Chrissy, she is a far nicer person than me. I give her a lot of credit and she is really someone special. Her priorities are correct and her only concern is for Kaiser. She is very deserving of our help, IMHO.
What really bothers me is that the breeders kept pups for themselves, and sent her a pup with a visually obvious serious health defect apart from the hips. Offer to let her keep the pup and replace it with a littermate, that would be acceptable. Offer some financial assistance or her money back instead of a replacement when you know a replacement is not an option. That would be ethical. People wonder why some of us object to using brokers, this is exactly the reason. Where were the guarantees that a better, healthier pup would be shipped? Especially when it is hand picked from a litter? Isn't that what you expect or led to believe when you pay double or triple for the services of a broker? At least that is what I get from reading threads on this forum.
Jim
No, different litter.
I love when breeders know that someone can not take another dog and are bonded with their pup and then offer the replacement. Knowing full well the replacement will never be taken. A truly compassionate person would offer financial assistance as many here are doing. I'm sorry, but I feel that when breeders say "return the pup and I will replace it" is BS, especially when it comes to crippling or debilitating health defects.
I am really impressed with Chrissy, she is a far nicer person than me. I give her a lot of credit and she is really someone special. Her priorities are correct and her only concern is for Kaiser. She is very deserving of our help, IMHO.
What really bothers me is that the breeders kept pups for themselves, and sent her a pup with a visually obvious serious health defect apart from the hips. Offer to let her keep the pup and replace it with a littermate, that would be acceptable. Offer some financial assistance or her money back instead of a replacement when you know a replacement is not an option. That would be ethical. People wonder why some of us object to using brokers, this is exactly the reason. Where were the guarantees that a better, healthier pup would be shipped? Especially when it is hand picked from a litter? Isn't that what you expect or led to believe when you pay double or triple for the services of a broker? At least that is what I get from reading threads on this forum.
Jim
by Jenni78 on 30 December 2011 - 03:12
Whoa...did I misread that? She has to return Kaiser to take the other pup? I read that she can have a new pup, no shipping costs, at any point when she's ready.
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