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by missbeeb on 13 December 2010 - 17:12
Abnor, your last but one post, (initially to Mark3) was the correct "tone". If you want to encourage and enlighten peeps, some realistic "marketing" skills may be required.
See some of your baiting / goading posts highlighted below... no doubt about who started the ball rolling in the nasty stakes on this thread. The second one smacks strongly of witch hunting, but I guess it was just your preparation for a jibe at Dave's stud dog. Maybe some peeps will keep the results to themselves... not ideal, but that's what a couple have suggested to me, after reading this shitty thread.
ie: Kudos to those who have tested and listed their results. They are breeders who actually do care about the breed and it's health. Such a shame there are so few of them.
It will be interesting to see who remains conspicuous by their absence on this list.
Are GSD breeders so greed driven that they will not spend a mere £150 per breeding animal to better breed health?
You may wriggle and squirm all you wish, but your goading & baiting gave you exactly what you hoped for... in the end. There's no point trying to blame others for getting hot under the collar when your tactics promote the very same! You couldn't wait to get your little jibe in about Dave's stud dog; so you'll forgive us for thinking that the good of the breed, is way down your list of priorities!
I will test my dog, if I had a bitch, I would have her tested too... IMO, if it can be prevented, so much the better, whatever the disease / condition. However, I am nowhere near as knowledgeable about "lines" as some on here, so I'd rather be, "belt and braces".
So... again I say to you Abnor, don't tell us what you think, show us what you do!
by noddi on 13 December 2010 - 18:12
sue,i,m not going to enter into any more arguing on this thread.i dont mind having a debate with yu face to face at a show next year.i have entered Manchester.to be honest i,m not in the best of health at the moment after suffering a dislocated shoulder last friday while out walking Chiki and then having a reaction to the pain killing cocktail of drugs i was given,while i was in A and E.i must admit your very first post on this thread did read,thay yu poo whooed the idea of testing for PD and i must admit this did surprise me,as yes i know yu have the breeds health interest at heart.maybe i and others read it wrong,but that was my impression and now yu have clarified yu intend to test,so i apologise.i do agree that we will NEVER SEE THE GERMANS TESTING.i ask myself WHY?i also think AbbyNormal has the breeds interest at heart too.Carole S.
by pencil on 13 December 2010 - 19:12
Pleased to see the Holy Trinity ( SueB-Videx-Miss beeb( a SueB disciple our miss beeb ) are still offering advice on here.
Still they know every thing about the GSD world, so that's alright then.
And of course we never hear from the BIG FOUR do we ?
Merry Xmas to all my readers, we will never break the show Mafia but it does us proud to agitate them somewhat.
by Wildmoor on 13 December 2010 - 19:12
Sonya
I presume you are refering to the original research in 2007, published 2008? or are you refering to the study published in 2009?
DNA is not as simple as just looking at the allele, you also have to take into account the haplotypes ie 1F is a protective factor in AF, 3A is linked to an increased and this is found in the DRB1*00101 allele
maybe further reading may help you in understanding do you have a CUlogin for an University? if so go to the online library at wiley.com
A/N where did I state you are connected to the coloured breeders? as I do not believe your are, if you are who I think you are then you abhor them more than me!!!
I presume you are refering to the original research in 2007, published 2008? or are you refering to the study published in 2009?
DNA is not as simple as just looking at the allele, you also have to take into account the haplotypes ie 1F is a protective factor in AF, 3A is linked to an increased and this is found in the DRB1*00101 allele
maybe further reading may help you in understanding do you have a CUlogin for an University? if so go to the online library at wiley.com
A/N where did I state you are connected to the coloured breeders? as I do not believe your are, if you are who I think you are then you abhor them more than me!!!
by missbeeb on 13 December 2010 - 19:12
Still advocating breeding form that bitch with the poor hip score Pencil? You know... "to make a few quid"... your ethics!
One only has to click on your name Pencil to see what you are!
Ooh... I'm an atheist btw.
by Shepherdguy on 14 December 2010 - 00:12
Amongst numerous other health issues we have in our midst a very real and severe problem with Pituitary Dwarfism.
Videx you state on a previous post ‘Very few dwarfs are actually born, even though a great many TOP GSD stud dogs are likely to be carriers. Double Siegers, Siegers and VA males & females are and have been carriers.’ And then go on to say ‘Is PD a serious problem for our GSD breed’- absolutely NOT. I agree with ChrissiDrake absolutely YES By your own admission these Double Siegers, Siegers and VA males & females are and have been carriers, so because of their status they will naturally have been extensively used, thus greatly expanding the problem of PD, with the males being the biggest cause of the spread. SURELY THIS STATEMENT OF YOURS VIDEX IS ONE HELL OF A GOOD REASON ON ITS OWN FOR PD TESTING!
The Pituitary Dwarfism test is there for the betterment of our breed. Stud dogs tested as carriers should be withdrawn from Stud but carrier bitches used sensibly but with only tested clear dogs.
One would assume all reputable breeders would want to do this test to eradicate the PD problem as quickly as possible.
SueB why do you have to exaggerate everything out of all proportion! It is you who is the drama queen not Abbynormal. As for scare mongering (you again SueB) I don’t see you accusing Videx with his JRD scare mongering (hypocrisy comes to mind) I think you and like do protest too much in a similar aggressive manner, Why?
I’ve always had the greatest respect for The GSD Breed Council of Great Britain for the excellent work they have done over the years, BUT, I am dismayed to see the bad attitude and childish posts written by you SueB - a committee member of the breed council, I do hope you are NOT the voice of the full committee!!!.
Videx you state on a previous post ‘Very few dwarfs are actually born, even though a great many TOP GSD stud dogs are likely to be carriers. Double Siegers, Siegers and VA males & females are and have been carriers.’ And then go on to say ‘Is PD a serious problem for our GSD breed’- absolutely NOT. I agree with ChrissiDrake absolutely YES By your own admission these Double Siegers, Siegers and VA males & females are and have been carriers, so because of their status they will naturally have been extensively used, thus greatly expanding the problem of PD, with the males being the biggest cause of the spread. SURELY THIS STATEMENT OF YOURS VIDEX IS ONE HELL OF A GOOD REASON ON ITS OWN FOR PD TESTING!
The Pituitary Dwarfism test is there for the betterment of our breed. Stud dogs tested as carriers should be withdrawn from Stud but carrier bitches used sensibly but with only tested clear dogs.
One would assume all reputable breeders would want to do this test to eradicate the PD problem as quickly as possible.
SueB why do you have to exaggerate everything out of all proportion! It is you who is the drama queen not Abbynormal. As for scare mongering (you again SueB) I don’t see you accusing Videx with his JRD scare mongering (hypocrisy comes to mind) I think you and like do protest too much in a similar aggressive manner, Why?
I’ve always had the greatest respect for The GSD Breed Council of Great Britain for the excellent work they have done over the years, BUT, I am dismayed to see the bad attitude and childish posts written by you SueB - a committee member of the breed council, I do hope you are NOT the voice of the full committee!!!.
by Videx on 14 December 2010 - 01:12
I will check on the progress of the number of PD DNA tests on GSD within the UK by next December and each December following, using the Jaquenetta GSD website PD information page.
I will certainly NOT accept any wagers on how insignificant the progress will be.
I will certainly NOT accept any wagers on how insignificant the progress will be.
by Shepherdguy on 14 December 2010 - 10:12
Videx you say
'I will check on the progress of the number of PD DNA tests on GSD within the UK by next December and each December following, using the Jaquenetta GSD website PD information page.'
You know as well as I do Videx you cannot check the number of GSD's tested in the Uk by using the PD page on the Jaquenetta website. By using this page you can only rely on the honesty of the breeders using this page that submit their PD test results!!!
'I will check on the progress of the number of PD DNA tests on GSD within the UK by next December and each December following, using the Jaquenetta GSD website PD information page.'
You know as well as I do Videx you cannot check the number of GSD's tested in the Uk by using the PD page on the Jaquenetta website. By using this page you can only rely on the honesty of the breeders using this page that submit their PD test results!!!
by bazza on 14 December 2010 - 11:12
Find it strange, looking at the general side of this forum which is bulging with American GSD owners, breeders, trainers and owners, and many other nationalities, not one mention of this PD testing. Why? Is it just a British thing?.......absolutely impossible, is the rest of the world ignorant to this PD test?.....I doubt it. Is the rest of the International GSD community suffering from the ostrich syndrome?......some maybe, the rest, I doubt that too. Are all breeders, with the exception of a few UK breeders listed, breeding unscrupulously? I doubt it. Or could it be that this is not as rife as a couple here have implied? Abby, maybe you could answer the question, as you seem to think you have all the answers, WHY IS IT JUST THE BRITS contributing here? I would love to see you take on the other Nationalities here and tell them what they are doing wrong, lol. But I think it has become as clear as glass why you are bumping your gums about this PD, not concern for the breed, not concern for the lack of testers, but a personal vendetta against some breeders. Now I do believe the MODS are coming down hard on that as it is against the terms of service.
by bazza on 14 December 2010 - 11:12
Shepherdguy, as I have said I would test and list any results, but why do you assume that those who do not list are doing so for dishonest reasons. That is wrong to assume, there could be many reasons. If I tested and listed no one would give a fig, if some of the " bigger breeders" listed you better believe some would have a field day. Why would they want all the crap that comes with it, I can understand why some do not list results just by a few on this thread. Never think that some breeders test, don't list the results but use the results accordingly when breeding? Nah..... didn't think so there's a whole lot more drama spewing crap that these breeders are liars, cheats, bad breeders, don't have the breed interests at heart, don't ya think????? PRICELESS.
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