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@ Beetree
thanks for the disclaimer on your sharing : "I tend to think...."

You are most welcome, Mithuna!

Other than the pointy ears, what is it about the standard of the GSD that is important to you?

I read the comment about being disappointed in a GSD that doesn't go ballistic on strangers walking in towards their yard, and really, I feel sorry for the people who live like that! Oh well.

The weird thing about my dogs, is they insist on being intimidating to most pedestrians walking by the house, but when a vehicle enters the driveway, they become more curious about them, instead. Sure makes a wonderful and pleasant dog to live with considering the social aspects that come from having teen kids. And then the dogs' free-ranging presence will still keep away the riffraff and some other worker types, too.

The standard GSD works for me, but I do love the pointy ears, too.

Mithuna are u going to share your knowledge and help some members out . other members have dog like u describe . And may be in a predicament

I got offered a dog a few days ago , army ranger reject and has been through 6 different police deparments And a dozen handlers , 3.5 years old , has won too many battles with Handlers, he's a certified dual purpose dog and will
Do what u ask him
For the most part but if you challenge or push him he responds violently , has zero tolerance for other dogs
The trainer was telling me sometimes even doing basic obedience is a fight with the handler and you have to choke the dog a few times or use hard corrections with both lifting the dog up off his feet and let him gasp for air ( obviously muzzled ) or heavy prong corrections or a Hard open hand slap to the face when he gets over the top aggressive , nice looking dog and very powerful and def has a place in breeding programs and with people such as myself who enjoy them.
we'll see if the deal comes through and I'll keep him And when
I do I'll post videos

Why would a dog like that have a place in breeding programs? What exactly would you do with 8 puppies of that type of temperament, from an unknown, unproven male? What kinds of homes would you put them in?

Why not? A dog like that can enhance hardness in the modern day soft working gsd , def has a place in LEO with a knowledgeable and experienced handler , estate security , sentry dog , not everyone wants a family pet , I certainly don't treat my dogs like one although I take very good care of them I don't allow dogs in or cuddle with them on the sofa or take a stroll down the dog park and socialize or other pet home activities , to me a dog is a tool first and foremost then a pet.

feed it , give it it intense amount of excercise , train the hell out of it  , bond with it then put it back in the kennel.

and frankly i intend to breed very hard unfriendly non pet type of gsd and think it's time more people realized If this type of dog isn't fot you then stick to show line dogs or get a collie or golden ... Iam sure they will provide you with ample amount of love and companionship  and don't ruin the breed 

Shawni - don't you think that the dog you were offered, if placed with a handler that chose to work WITH the dog, rather than try to dominate such a dog, would be more easy to train/work with? I think that some trainers/handlers try to dominate certain dogs that will not accept that kind of training, and when such an approach doesn't work they wash the dog. My friend's dog Ero was such a dog, he only accepted one alpha in his life (the original handler in Holland), and if you tried to dominate that dog the fight was on. My friend worked with the dog by coersion rather than domination, and they came to an understanding and acceptance of each other. That was the only way that Ero could be handled safely by anyone other than the original handler, especially before a bond was established between dog/handler.

Re: Shawnicus' last post. I am a very petite woman (5'2") who lives in an area that is nice with some very, very expensive homes (one of my neighbors is a Rothschild); because of this there is A LOT of crime, especially but not limited to the nighttime hours. I wanted a dog who could protect me by shear presence alone (some people say a Golden or Labrador Retriever would do the job, but I'm doubtful). I got a female GSD who will sound the alarm like the Hound of the Baskervilles if she hears anything untoward, intimidate shady characters who used to stalk me while walking, but now leave me alone, and is also able to be perfectly friendly with my guests. This is what I wanted and needed, not some man eating liability; I think a lot of people who get GSDs as pets want this temperament in their dog. Yes, there is a place for GSDs with hard temperaments, but I hardly think the breeders who cater to buyers like myself are 'ruining' the breed. Just my two cents.

we had dog in unit like shawnicus describe and he start bite handler out of blue with no correction before. many cobweb in head. so dog no good for work -- think of doing patrol work on syria border or refugee camp and dog not focus on crowd but start bite handler -- many people hurt or die in instant. we also not train or work with muzzle to accommodate no good canine, is little girl way of doing and stupid unless it is muzzle fight work. so broker who send dog make decision to put dog to rest. just before, american broker hear about dog and buy dog. not much more as two months after we hear he kill after dog bit customer police handler very much out of blue.
may be broker was one of big strong men on pdb write much but not work dog in police or military work with handler and other people life depend on it. for breeding, continue to intending. with good luck for breed, new tough dog carve you up and all is done with like it happen many time before with ignorant playing with fire. but i much think, you like buddy mithuna, and lock dog in basement and give back very fast and every week story about super dog get bigger and better and sad to not able to keep because old owner/broker/what ever wanted canine back. some people on board tell so much nonsense for such long time they start think nonsense is truth. beware, that truth literal and with good fortune come back and bite you in ass. for all sake, hopeful it is your ass and not innocent child face.

Love that post fring . Well said