Wolf trotting - Page 11

Oh sorry Marko you've gone back a page on here -
now I get it; just awfully confusing to talk about one
animal in middle of talking about another, I guess.

But the point about the male's gait : yes, dragging a
handler round a corner of a circuit can be problematic
- which is why one (author or fancier !) must be v-e-r-y
careful about illustrating anything with a single, still, photo;
what do I always say about 'critiquing' on here ? Clearly
the problem with this dog was not limited to the one
corner / one shot.

Re. Bodo's hock - Bodo is gaiting on grass, and his hock is partially hidden by the grass, so no, I do not think his entire hock is touching down. Here's a stacked photo of him:

Bodo v. Lierburg VA1, Sch 3, FH, was before the show line/working line split. He was German, Dutch and Belgian Sieger. He was imported to the States, where he achieved an excellent select rating in the show ring. However, this was 1967, the year Lance went Grand Victor. Bodo was pretty much ignored when it came to breeding, as everyone went crazy over Lance.

Bodo's litter brother, Bernd, remained in Germany, was used extensively for breeding, especially by kennels like Busecker Schoss, and is in the pedigree of many of the current working line dogs.

To me, more than any other dog, Bodo represents the beginning of the split between the German and American dogs. The influence of Lance wouldn't be fully felt until about a decade later, but 1967 was the watershed year, the very beginning of the split.

Agree with Sunsilver about the hock

"Does anyone notice that Bodo's HOCK is on the ground   When was this photo taken and is he called a Showline."

Yes. And people saying it isn't are the same people who believe there is not a problem with the show conformation causing it.

I think we better make a new post about rear angulation. I will start one in few days.

Joanro,

Bodo has way less desired rear angulation. Sunsilver is correct in her diagnosis, you know what I don't agree with you on, you are extreme on no angulation, as you say it, you are the other side of the coin, one side is SV and the other side is you. I know you will shout and scold, No Problem

Ibrahim, only going t 'correct' your English...saying that i am 'extreme on no angulation' would imply that I prefer pig legged dogs, which are deformed and unable to move in the natural way of your 'Wolf trotting' premise. The other side of the coin' from sv SL is certainly not 'extreme no angulation', so please do not put such a label on me.

Joanro, your last post implies that you think Bodo is extreme in angulation and hence he lands on his hock which in not correct at all. Bodo is less angulated than should and his gait is correct (might not be best), the picture is deceiving and Sunsilver is most probably spot on with her analysis, he is not landing on his hock (such angulated dog would not land on its hock).
It is obvious that we do not understand what deep rear and what proper rear and what less angulated rears are.
And it is more than obvious we do not agree on what moderate correctly angulated rear is, too much = too less in this case

The dog is not hitting on his toes, grass or no grass, that's what I see in one picture. Ibrahim, it doesn't matter what I like or what I prefer to see in any dog, no matter the breed....my preferences and opinions should not matter to what you desire in the breed :-)

You might be correct and I might be incorrect. His rear angulation does not suggest at all that with such moderate angulation a dog would land on its hock while trotting.

It isn't exclusive to over angulation.