Czech pedigree define??? - Page 11

I have a nice dog imported from Czech breeder. He is a blend of Czech, Slovak, WG and Belgium lines. he is a very very hard dog. Great for protection (bark and hold to die for) and excellent tracking. Obedience is a little harder to get. Very strong powerful dog. At the same time easy to live with. Some TDs like him a lot, another said he is not a sport dog. Others say this is what the breed needs. 

will soon breed this combination with german shepherds from breeders that happened to live in czech republic when they bred them

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=515419&mother=2228380

I did a breeding with my gsd female with another gsd in the USA :-). Some of the breeders in both dog's ped also lived in Czech when they bred them :-) Some of the same dogs in your pair, four times on Cordon. :-)
This information also has nothing to do with this thred.

The eskimo comment is interesting, you could apply that analogy to working dog breeders ie if you have never worked a dog to the standard and application you say you are breeding them to/for then according to the eskimo analogy you are just a tourist or a commercial tourist operator selling a image.

Joan: http://youtu.be/ONtGnzziWNw

To help make your point, and not down play your point;
This is the type you are calling Czech type. Correct? The two jiris showing what a 'real Czech dog' is. True, pedigree is irrelevant when this is the criteria for a Czech dog. But its not on topic.

 

No. The video shows to a buyer a young dog's natural protectiveness and then it shows how the dog cen naturally quickly defuse,  which is one of the attributes of old style CZ GSD and it is being bred out of GSd these days. To say that this video describes such dog in it's  entirety is  not correct. Yes that is a young  OSCZDbut there is little more to such dog then you see on the video.   

 

 

I never said the video describes the dog in its entirety..that would be a presumptuous call at best and stupid at worst, to say a few seconds of a video clip describes a dog in its entirety. So you are saying, " No, this is NOT a Czech type", as I asked ? I see dogs like this every time I bring any of my dogs out to work them, civil but clear in the head ( means they diffuse:-) , so I disagree that the trait is being bred out of the GDS 'these days'....at least not in my dogs, nor in a very nice stud dog I used on one of my females in South Carolina recently. Anyway, sorry, I thought this was representative of the type dogs you were referring to when you talk about 'Old Style Czech Dogs'. My bad :-)

hans how the heck can you sit there and say that the owner is working that dog in defense and then its naturally defusing? it seems like the dog is listening to the leash holder and not the agitator. if the agitator was the owner and the dog was naturally defusing then why didnt he walk up and pet it after it "defused"? 

 

Boomer, that's because the agitator is jiri n and jiri p is handling the dog. They are working a dog that is for sale, for a buyer. If jiri n petted the dog after agitating it, that would probly take the wind out of the sales for the sale. ( pun intended :-)

by the look of those prison cells er kennels i think that dog was just craving some attention.

 

a prospect that age should be doing off leash search into a building and some serious muzzle fighting i would have thought for a public demo vid of a commercial dog. at least that is what i would expect to see.

 

go to the local pound here and you can find 100 mutts that respond as in the vid. not sure how what was shown is uniquely czech???

 

kind of expect that for any dog as a minimium, what am i missing...nice looking dog.

Joan what I meant to say is that we ( video viewers)  can not tell just  from the video if the dog is OSCZD.  You asked: True, pedigree is irrelevant when this ( the video) is the criteria for a Czech dog.  

Hans: The viewer can not tell from this video if it is a OSCZD. Thus I said; No we can not tell from this video is "criteria"  if it is such dog. So stop back backpedaling. 

I happen to know the dog so I can say based on other knowledge that; yes it is . Dog is very young on the video too so Immaturity is present. .  I believe that the video was taken when the dog was younger then 18 mo.