Any thoughts on this breeding for the USA Market - Page 3

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by charlie319 on 11 February 2020 - 09:02

I consulted with a friend in Germany and while she was against the breeding, the rationale was that: "Ballack, like his father, also, had a stomach twist." While epilepsy is merely considered genetic, the inheritability of prefisposition to torsion has been proven
That I have seen first hand, and while on paper it looks like it should produce very good show ring dogs, torsion/bloat does present a more tangible risk.

Thank you all for your candor.


by Koots on 11 February 2020 - 14:02

Torsion/bloat or epilepsy......either way, a line-breeding with too much risk to be done by an ethical and responsible breeder, IMO.


by charlie319 on 11 February 2020 - 19:02

Yeah I know what you mean. My niece was dating some stockbroker from Chicago who was type 1 diabetic... I wondered why would she want to have kids with him and foist such a condition on her children...


by Hundmutter on 12 February 2020 - 12:02

And: Bloat / Torsion may also be subject to heritability - I know some people have started to look at possible genetic links / pre-disposition.
Having had two dogs with GD&V over the years (fortunately both operated on in time to save them) I would not wish THAT condition on anyone, either.


While I take your point, Charlie, re research projects maybe bumping up the numbers in studies of epilepsy, that was not what was guiding me.  I have long campaigned on here against the 'coats and colours for pretty fluffy pets' breeders circles, primarily here in the UK but also relevant to America and elsewhere.  My acknowledgement of the amount of epilepsy still produced arises from the large number of instances of uninformed people buying pet GSDs from such sources, and winding up with fitting dogs - again, see the earlier threds on here.  Where these puppy producers continually in-breed many of their dogs to keep up the numbers of long coats, blues, whites, etc - because they sell - the lines which get used over and over again include those which lead back to dogs we know were affected. And actually these are not the sort of breeders who will readily volunteer their stock for research; some of their dissatisfied customers will be, of course ...


by charlie319 on 12 February 2020 - 21:02


From what I've read. The prefisposition to torsion is inherited.

I won't breed anything I wouldn't keep... And I look at the whole dog... An animal bred to a purpose, not at narrow facets of it.

The only real option the KC has is to mandate DNA testing (at a reasonable price)to,identify those lines that carry defects and to give researchers a larger and broader population to evaluate. I doubt it will happen.

Personally, I'm copacetic with long coats, not at all with dilute colors. I'm placing one of my B litter females as a service dog because she has a minute umbical hernia ($70.00 US repair cost). I just don't need to sell her into a home where she may hurt herself
As a service dog, she won't have as many physical demands.

I appreciate your tactful manner of getting your point across and your broad and deep knowledge. Others should take note on how to persuade.


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