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delta von Avalik

by delta von Avalik on 01 December 2019 - 21:12

I am completely new to conformation shows, this is only our second show and the requirements seem to be a little different than the previous one. For this show (my dog is Youth/Young Class 18-24 month old non-titled males) they require the dogs to have:

1. FCI/SV Recognized Registration
2. Proof of Microchip or Tattoo
3. Pedigree (Copy)
4. Scorebook (Recommended but not required)

My boy has everything ready to go, except for possibly the first one. He is USCA and AKC registered. Does the AKC count as a FCI recognized registration? I tried to find information on this, but got mixed information. I would greatly appreciate the help!

Western Rider (admin)

by Western Rider on 01 December 2019 - 22:12

From AKC I believe you need to get a Certified 4 generation pedigree  NOT three generation.

delta von Avalik

by delta von Avalik on 02 December 2019 - 08:12

Yes he has a 4 gen pedigree from the AKC.

by Klossbruhe on 02 December 2019 - 12:12

Registration is different from the pedigree. Registration is proof of ownership. While the AKC is not under the aegis of the FCI, they are recognized by the FCI and an AKC registration would be recognized by the FCI. A four generation pedigree from the AKC, while generally required in SV style shows, is not proof of ownership. So you usually need both the pedigree and registration. You do not need a scorebook because it is only proof of a working title and your dog is in an untitled class. The only class where this is required is the Working Dog Class, dogs two years and older with a title, as the scorebook is proof of having passed a recognized working titled, IPO, IGP or HGH.

As for a UScA registration, it is meaningless except for the UScA. At this point, it is only a money raising gimmick although they might tell you otherwise. They are not the recognized breed club for the GSD in the United States. Their registration program, started many years ago, in conjunction with an SV partial recognition was an attempt by the UScA to supplant the GSDCA as the official breed club in the US. At the time, it had the blessing of SV President Peter Messler and Leistungswart Rudenauer. Their attempt failed and it is doubtful that their registration would be recognized by the FCI as proof of ownership.

delta von Avalik

by delta von Avalik on 03 December 2019 - 10:12

Thank you very much Western Rider and Klossbruhe! I hope they're okay with a copy of the AKC 4 gen pedigree because the real pedigree is still being mailed from Germany since we recently did his hips/elbows with the SV.

by Klossbruhe on 03 December 2019 - 12:12

It is very rare for a judge to request or look at documents at a show unless there is some question as to provenance or working titles. I have only seen it a few times in thirty years of going to shows. At Sieger Shows, however, you must have the original documents or a Bescheinigung showing the originals are at the SV. Not necessary for a regular conformation show.

Furthermore, if you have some supporting document from whomever sent the xrays to the SV, such as the UScA or GSDCA, you certainly will have no problem.

In any case, copies should be sufficient. Remember, however, you do need at least a copy also of the AKC or SV registration showing you are the owner, assuming you are.


by Hundmutter on 03 December 2019 - 13:12

Klossbruhe: Don't you ever need to be able to quote numbers etc from the paperwork when filling in entries for shows, though ? I agree there is usually no need to turn up at Shows with everything.

by Klossbruhe on 03 December 2019 - 15:12

Assuming you are talking about SV style shows and not AKC or KC type shows, entrants must submit copies of the relevant documents as well as an entry form so that the show catalog can be made. The catalog will have the dog's name, date and country of birth, registration number, chip number, working titles if any, KKL if any, father's name and registration number and titles, ditto the mother, breeder's name, and owner's name, address, telephone and email. All of this information must be provided on the entry form.

Hence there is no need for anybody to quote anything.


by Hundmutter on 03 December 2019 - 17:12

No I realise that's the case with SV style, separately run shows, (over here, too); but I wondered if there were instances where AKC shows asked for such details of US dog exhibitors, rather than actual papers ? I am sure I have seen schedules / entry forms for KC-run shows in the UK which asked for e.g. Registration numbers. Have no practical experience with what is required by the AKC as I have never been around the American show scene in person, to pick up that sort of detail. The OP did not seem to be asking SOLELY re non-AKC style showing, although majoring on SV ones.

by Klossbruhe on 04 December 2019 - 13:12

Sorry Hundemutter, I do not take my dogs to AKC shows, which are from modern German lines, so I cannot answer your questions. But I can tell you, they do not care about working titles, HD, ED, breed surveys, gun neutrality, sex differentiation etc. All they seem to care about is getting a so called championship rating as soon as possible. Health, ability to work, mental stability meaningless to the AKC people. Side gaiting on their hocks is their big deal.

In the States, very few so called AKC breeders have introduced German lines for many, many generations, perhaps since WWII and they do not want them. The structure is very different and a dog from Germany rarely has a chance of doing well in the AKC ring. Very occasionally there is a judge who is interested in German dogs but there are not too many. Perhaps it is like the "Alsatian" situation in GB...


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