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Koots

by Koots on 27 October 2019 - 18:10

This is going to sound a little rough, it's not meant to be mean but forthright and direct.

What makes you believe that you should breed dogs? You ask questions that illustrate your lack of knowledge, so why even think about breeding dogs, especially Mal X, for a specific market. What would you do with all the pups that are not sold? The SPCA and rescue agencies are full of such dogs. Please leave the LE dog breeding to those with much more knowledge and experience.

by Centurian on 29 October 2019 - 11:10

Pyro .... the question is so beyond ____ . that it sounds like a bait question . And there are peoole on the PDB that simply here to stir the pot abd kick the dust up sort to speak . There is nothing wrong with trying to learn and the most successful people in life are those that ALWAYS try to better themselves. Generally I am not a fan of DVD's or books . The best way to learn is to be by ahnging around the Masters , not the experienced , but those that have mastered that endeavor [ if possible] . Although thementors in the dog world have become so few there are people still willing to teach and educate the newcomers /new generation. Aside from what I wrote , I would suggest to you Armin Wrinkler's Der Schutzhund translated book . [Also readings from Helmut Raiser]. Reading about genetics also will help you understand breeding. Now , I do not know your age but I go on to share my outlook when I was young. When I was 14 years old one summer I read every printed college level psychology book - This helped me not only in life but that also was hepful in learning about teaching and understanding canines/animals too. Also I sought out the best GS people in Europe and USA and asked them if they could educate me about the GS because true learning only comes from doing ! The last comment I can makde to you is what my mentors made me do : to watch all the animal TV programs at that time [in USA ,' Mutual of Omaha animal series ' for those that want to think back and chuckle a bit ] without the sound . Yes without listening because that makes you really really watch and understand animal behavior and instincts !

If you are sincere , you follow my advise [ even if you have no dog , you can still visit and hang out at a Sch , PSA , Ring club etc etc . Look , Listen and l earn ] and you WILL LEARN. Then you can see why the posters have posted what they did. Good luck Pyro ....

by xPyrotechnic on 29 October 2019 - 15:10

Thanks for the replies sorry it was quite late, i intend to breed in about 20 years time im only 21 years old. I will defo look into the book that you recommended im currently living in London but in 20 years time i will most likely either be dead or living back in my country of origin which doesn't not have any kennel clubs and very few dogs. I figured that i will either need to buy LE dogs from abroad or create my own breeding program obv the last one would be cheaper in the long run depending if its successful. The reason i want to bring LE dogs over is because currently the airport security and sniffer dog are Rottweilers which is not great.

by astrovan2487 on 29 October 2019 - 17:10

Good on you for trying to learn. Dog training is really not something you can learn by reading books or watching videos. You need to go out and watch and experience it in the real world. So much of it is related to timing, body posture, little things like that that you really need some one experienced to help you with it.
Best thing you could do if you are serious is start looking around at breeders and trainers that would be willing to mentor you or a club willing to let you in. Learn all you can and put 100% into it if it's really what you want to do. All the decent breeders and trainers I know start off this way, observe, train your own dog, repeat many times, then think about breeding
Nowadays seems like everyone is breeding/selling/training police or service dogs, you will need to be that much better to make people want to buy your dogs. Definitely doesnt happen overnight

Koots

by Koots on 30 October 2019 - 09:10

If you have aspirations to breed in 20 yrs, that will give you lots of time to learn all you can and develop contacts who can help you. I still believe the best learning comes from actual (in person) observing and doing, so if you can, find a dog sport club in your area and see if you can attend/join. Take lots of notes, especially about dogs and bloodlines that are successful in the discipline for which you want to breed. But keep in mind that for every LE dog(s) in a litter there are others which will not suitable, so what will happen to those pups?

by Centurian on 30 October 2019 - 11:10

xPyro : One of the biggest gripes that I and my elite GS companions in Europe have is that there are very very very few mentors in today's GS world. Sad to say , but in my circles , I write the truth , that even some of the clubs that I have attended in the USA are lacking - then again there are some super clubs too. Also even many professional people do not have the mindset , in general as did the former generations. Not in my view , but in their viewpoint even more than mine.

So , if you decide to PM me , I will write to you a bit about myself and not try to , but moreover , help you to learn as best I can . That is the least I can do for someone your age ready , willong and able to learn . I leave with this : you can never understand a canine unless you understand Temperament. You can never ever teach unless you are a good communicator and that is the basis of teaching a dog. And you can never ever be a succerssful and good breeder unless you have total and full comprehension of the breed , have the right information , and have a plan .

by apple on 30 October 2019 - 12:10

xPyrotechnic,
It sounds like you have a lot of sorting out to do. If your primary interest is detections dogs for airport security, I have seen Cocker Spaniels and Beagles that are great detection dogs. If you want to breed dogs for apprehension/man work, the odds of being able to breed enough quality dogs is low unless you are already financially independent to some degree. You will need to breed a ton of dogs, hold some back and see how they turned out, and some will be great and some will be shitters with everything in between. Becoming very knowledgeable in genetics and knowing the genetics behind various breeding stock and developing your own true bloodlines will increase your odds, but it is the very rare person/company that can do that, as it can take decades to know the dogs behind your dogs and what the dominant genetics of the dogs you are breeding are likely to produce. That is why police and military buy green dogs and not puppies. If this is something you want to do on a smaller scale, while having another main source of income, it will likely be more doable. As Centurian pointed out, you need a mentor or many mentors. I don't know where you live, but IMO, the majority of people training and breeding working dogs are incompetent. Finding a really good decoy or decoys willing to teach you how to decoy is no easy feat either, and IMO, if you don't know or have the talent to decoy a dog, you won't truly understand the difference between a good dog and an exceptional dog. You have to learn dog lingo, learning principles and creative ways to apply them. You have to learn how to accurately read a dog. It is a very difficult task to simply set out to breed good police dogs, especially if that is going to be your main source of income. If you live in the US, you will likely have to relocate to find someone skilled and willing to help you. You need to go where the best dogs are. I would suggest Holland. And if your goal is to do this in 20 years, police dogs will probably be obsolete by then. Technology is on the verge of being able to read people's brainwaves and translate them into language which is essentially reading someone's thoughts.

by ValK on 30 October 2019 - 14:10

in East Germany it took about 20 years to establish own bloodlines, which did begin to produce GSDs who did quite differ
and became superior to West Germany counterpart, albeit inherited gene pool was the same.
sure, countrywide unified set of objectives and well organized cooperation among breeders did help a big time in reaching
that goal but that doesn't mean similar approach not acceptable and won't work in western society if certain amount of breeders,
with identical comprehension and perception of breed, could step over personal ego/greed and join their forces in effort to reach goal.

by xPyrotechnic on 30 October 2019 - 18:10

Currently i live in London wouldn't mind going to live in Holland better than where i am, I'm studying criminology in uni 2nd year, i hope to be a detective so breeding would not be my main source of income i don't really need the money. I find reading dogs quite hard especially when i see a vid of a dog doing bite work. So far I've noticed that the hard hitting dogs who don't slow down when they bite the decoy tend to be more better holding the grip and have harder bites they tend to drag the decoys arm down less. My dream is to use a dog that can do all things related to LE and herding not just detection dogs

Koots

by Koots on 30 October 2019 - 23:10

I don't know what it's like there, but if you can volunteer (or work) with your police K9 unit as a quarry (decoy) then that will help you learn about LE K9.





 


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