Would you breed a blue mal? - Page 1

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by Kaity68 on 20 October 2019 - 18:10

Lets say you breed/train police k9s. You come across a 2yr old blue mal, all health tests cleared, incredible drive in every aspect you need, great bloodlines, good price. The breeder did not breed for his coloring, it just happened. No other siblings or immediate relatives shair his coat. Im more concerned with having a healthy driven male i can title and breed so color is of no concern to me. Though i understand its not desirable in the breed, from what I understand its not linked to any health concerns unless theyve been inbred to achieve it given its a rare color. curious for an outside opinion. Would you let his color effect your decision to breed him, or breed him anyway given hes a perfectly healthy male with great workability?

No need to get into why im breeding, your opinion on the male doesnt matter, no need to ask if im experienced enough to be doing such, i have a lot of knowledge on the subject and am just looking for someone to give an outside opinion to help deicide. I dont mean to sound rude, just tired of getting jumped on because everyone assumes the worst of you and wont even answer your questions.

by Hired Dog on 20 October 2019 - 18:10

IF I were a breeder and had an outstanding male that I chose to be my working dog and that male was cleared health wise, I would give him a shot to see what he produced.
Just because it happens to be a great working dog, does not mean that it can produce great working dogs, plus, the female will play a huge role in any breeding.

by Nans gsd on 20 October 2019 - 19:10

Possibly if you are willing to hold onto the puppies, all puppies and health check them and recheck parents, then spay/neuter.
FuriousDaysK9

by FuriousDaysK9 on 21 October 2019 - 00:10

I would not have a blue Mal as my primary breeding stud or bitch. But if the dog was everything I was looking for, structurally sound with appropriate working drives and passing health clearances I wouldn’t not breed to them just based off of their color.

That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t have a blue Malinois as my competition dog or working dog prospect as a dogs color doesn’t determine their work ethic. I do believe in keeping within the breed standard as much as possible, but if keeping dogs in the breed standard was always 100% then we wouldn’t have the legendary dogs we have had in the past.

With breeding we all have to start somewhere. Just do the best you can on your end and don’t worry about what others think of you. :)

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 21 October 2019 - 01:10

The problem with blue dogs is unethical breeders are just DYING to get their hands on them, so they can breed more and sell them for more money because they are 'rare'! This would likely extend to the puppies of a blue dog. Since the gene is recessive, all pups would have normal colouration, but be carriers for the blue gene.

I really think it's just too risky, even if he is a fantastic specimen. You have no control over what happens to the pups once they are sold.
Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 21 October 2019 - 03:10

I was waiting for the OP to post this question, since the earlier post on the same dog. IMO the advice given on that thred is very relevant, even before you think about the possibility of producing dogs from this dog. However much you think you know about breeding.

Way to go, Furious and Sunny !

by Centurian on 21 October 2019 - 09:10

I am not a Mal expert .. but .. your statement " Though I understand its not desirable in the breed ...... " IMOp needs further explanation . Why ... I would first want to know why " undersireable" be the case .Then I would make a decision . IMOP without full comprehensive knowledge of why and what I am breeding ...and I hold myself to this principle .. then I have no business breeding .

As far as this being a forum including to GS - my comment is : Because of that similar mindset of people that have bred over the last decades , the GS has been quite a bit forever changed to the detriment of the breed. As a result that way of thinking and that  lack of proper breeding , constituted a lot of detriment to the breed . Because of poor breeding practices and because people felt that , what they thought to do was just fine, the breed was greatly negatively impacted . I am here to say empahtically that it was not just fine. And if anyone thinks that breeding a dog just because it so call works  and    that is all that is needed to be considered for breeding then you are demonstrating just how ignorant you are when it comes to breeding .. animals in general . Don't even call yourself a breeder .

Not following the breed standards for breeding just makes you a self interest based person. That's my opinion .
Breeding as I have written ad nauseum is more than simply putting two dogs together hoping for an outcome. As I have written , there is a Breed Standard for a breed of dogs for reasons** . Once you depart from this reasoning, then you no longer have a breed. And if everybody went to that drum beat , there would be theroretically speaking , no German Shepherd [ or true Mal , Rottie , Boxer etc etc. ].

To repeat , I do not know about the blue color in Mals [ I reserve judgement about that until I educate yself about all the facts about Mals ] even though I had owned a Mal and the majority of my police officer friends have Mals ... But aside from color of a Mal my point is that breeding is more, much ,much, much more than putting two dogs together , just to mate a pair , and to simply to get a dog that works . Please do not express ignorance by saying that you do not care as long as the dog works. That is akin to the many officers that I have come across ,  that all they know is how to handle the dog , can hardly teach a dog , and in reality know so very little about canines . That is like the many officers I have come across thinking out of their ignorance that they have a great dog and IMOp they were not great because some dogs were not even keeled. These offices only cared about one thing: that the dog worked with no regard to the overall and complete makeup of the dog itself . They were of poor bred dogs  IMOP tthey had and the officers truly had no idea what they had or did not have . [ BTW my mentor who taught me and who bred and trained LE dogs for FBI , CIA , Royal Canadian Mounties schooled me quite well what a working dog should be and how to breed and he never ever ever ever thought the dog should be bred and accepted just because it could do the work ] . That is my opinion take it or leave it.

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 21 October 2019 - 10:10

 


Here in Holland KNPV X malinois have sometimes blue malinois in a litter they are actual more grey/brown
most of time this are lucky shots because there many diffferent breeds who are used in the KNPV bloodlines its possible  black /,brown /grey/yellow/grey/grey brown puppies in a litter  .Have also seen grey color pups   in a X Dutch Shepherd litter was also a lucky shot, later the grey color what people call blue  can change when pups get older.


I don,t believe it is very simple to breed on grey  malinois only it is just a lot of luck.

 

 


by Nans gsd on 21 October 2019 - 11:10

iF you plan on showing and competing in any venue with a liver/blue do not plan on placing or winning. sorry but that is just the way it is. The standards are not written for us to break the rules.

Just say'in.
Koots

by Koots on 21 October 2019 - 12:10

I would not breed a dog that did not comply with the breed standard. Period. If that dog is a great worker, then keep it as a working/companion dog, but do not propagate the genetics that make it not within the breed standard.   There are enough great examples of dogs out there that DO comply with the breed standard - there's no reason to breed one that does not.

I am not sure about the Mal genetics, but for other breeds, disqualifying colours can be linked to other genetic traits like deafness, etc. That is why there are disqualifying colours for that breed. As more genetic research is made into each breed, it may be proven that the present disqualifying colours for the Malinois are not linked to other health problems, but until that time I would not breed a blue Mal.

I have owned 1 Belgian Tervuren and 2 Malinois, so not just saying this from another breed owners perspective.


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