Reckless Aggression , where does it comme from, and which lines are known to pass it down? - Page 1

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by K9L1 on 26 September 2019 - 18:09

Every now and then I see a GSD that is completely reckless in his attempt to reach and hold on the decoy for bite-work. These dogs will run across anything ( water, mud, etc ) and will doggedly hold on even if there are obvious dangers to their welfare such as falling tables and chairs and rolling drums. Also heard of one KNPV dog that was so reckless it could not be worked (for the dog's own safety). Anyone familiar with this trait? where (kind of drive) does it come from and what lines are known for it?

by duke1965 on 26 September 2019 - 18:09

there are dogs that are so high in drive that they forget/ignore everything around them at that time, these dogs can still fall apart when out of drive,

furthermore, I have seen dogs injure themselves again and again on the long bite, some call it courage, other call it stupid dogs with more drive than brains

 

each to his own

by K9L1 on 26 September 2019 - 18:09

Duke
some of them are reckless even in a small enclosed area, such as a room with chairs and old tyres, plastic crates and large empty drums.

by apple on 26 September 2019 - 18:09

I would just say that IMO, you are muddying the waters. Reckless aggression can be pictured in one's mind, but it is not a single trait. Some dogs are reckless because they are so prey driven. Sometimes it is due to poor training because a dog needs to learn control in order to think and be obedient. Some dogs have a very high pain tolerance. Some dogs have very strong nerves. A minority of dogs have very serious forward aggression along with dominance. As for the Mal KNPV dogs, I would say a lot of their recklessness is out of extreme prey which creates frustration aggression. Sometimes you hear about a dog jumping off a building to his death chasing a ball that was misthrown. While it can look spectacular, I wouldn't say it is a highly desirable type of dog. So I don't consider it a single trait and don't know what GSD lines are known for it. It really isn't consistent with good GSD temperament.

Koots

by Koots on 26 September 2019 - 19:09

You can even see this lack of 'situational awareness' when the dog is chasing the ball. Some dogs will not see the building, or other object in the pathway of the ball, and will run headlong into it, risking injury. In this case, it's like the drive impairs the processing of environmental dangers. This kind of behaviour is counter-survival, and animals in the wild that are not 'situationally aware' do not live long, in general.

by Hired Dog on 26 September 2019 - 19:09

IF the aggression you are speaking off is based not on prey and its actual, real aggression, I have a hard time accepting that the dog is actually sound in the head.
Again, I am speaking of dogs whose desire to fight anything and anyone at any time is based on actual aggression.
I am also speaking from experience because I owned such a dog, not a GSD, a Malinois and while that level of wanting to fight anyone is impressive to look at, it gets tiring quick.
My dog would have fought King Kong if I had let him and believe with every fiber of his being that he would win.
The reason he was great at search work, building, area, tracking, was because he wanted to fight the man when he found him. Nothing else mattered and no obstacle was too great for him to overcome in his desire to engage in combat.
Was he "sound" in the head? Absolutely NOT, categorically! Did he care about his well being? Not at all. Was he the worst dog ever to live with? Without question, YES!
That same dog went after me one late evening for reasons unknown. He was in the back of the car and when I went to get him out, he went berserk. It took many hours and a catch pole and several other things to get him out, but, 2 years later, he was put down, without having ever worked during that time.
Again, I cannot accept that a dog with that much aggression is sound in the head or that it should be around people.

by Centurian on 26 September 2019 - 19:09

Hired Dog ... I agree , the Soundness / Temperament or Mentality of such a dog is quite questionable !

by K9L1 on 26 September 2019 - 19:09

this recklessness shows up in other areas too. some dogs will run themselves to death chasing a ball. Seems like they are more hardwired to chase than to respond to biofeedback signals that they are reaching their own physical limits

by ValK on 26 September 2019 - 20:09

there are huge difference - reckless in behavior overall and reckless in certain action?

by K9L1 on 26 September 2019 - 20:09

whats the difference Valk?

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