by refugekennel on 30 July 2019 - 19:07
Today July 30th I finally received Lion's export papers there are No titles present on his export pedigree nor was his pedigree stamped with his Hips and elbow results like Ivan said they were. Ivan ONLY sent me an export pedigree and NO proof of titles. I messaged him today and he said it takes time to get his titles and hips and elbows certification and that he will ship them "Next Time". No that's not acceptable. Not only does it not take this long to process titles, Hips and elbows certification, and export pedigree (as I've done this several times) but to tell me after 8 months and the dog is no longer in his possession that it's going to take longer and he will get them next time is rediculous. Obviously, I can't ever recommend him to future buyers but I deserve to have the dog I paid for so I would like for him to either issue a refund and I can return the dog at his cost or pay for his training so he can receive the training he was supposed to have originally.
Admin I'd be happy to provide copies of emails, and message. Please be advised that I do work so I will have to check-in periodically to this post to answer questions.
by ali44 on 31 July 2019 - 05:07
Also, take the dog to a vet to scan the dog's identification code number and see if it matches with the one on the export papers.
If there are no titles or hips and elbows stamps on the export papers, then the dog hasn't any of them.
Unfortunately, I think you bought a neglected adult dog, that spent his whole life locked up in a 6 to 8 square meters kennel, with very little to none attention from people or interaction with other dogs, thus the behavior problems he has.
by von Clausewitz on 31 July 2019 - 11:07
Ivan Lukic is an inveterate liar and shyster.
by DuganVomEichenluft on 31 July 2019 - 12:07
Topics like this are ALL over the internet. How many times does one need to be screwed over from countries like Serbia to "get it".
I truly don't have any sympathy for people who export dogs from these countries. There are plenty of great dogs in the USA or more reliable countries. The only reason people go to Serbia, etc is because the photo of said dog looks amazing and the dog is cheap. That should be your first red flag.
by Entwerfer Haus on 31 July 2019 - 20:07
If he is NOT trained, is biting everyone and no health certification why is he on your site as titled and health tested? And this description?:
Have you had him trained and tested? I sure hope so...
Son of IPO1, BH, KKL1 Amstel von Yugerschof and IPO1, BH Amstel von Yugerschof, Lion von Yugerschof (King) is the perfect example of what the breed was created to be. Large-bodied striking type and expressiveness, very well pigmented, built in a very good relationship, dry and firm. Very good character, high, long withers, very harmonious back line, very good length and position of the croup. Correct angulations of the fore powerful gears with very effective replenishment suitable for improving the imprint, building harmony and pigmentation.
Color: Red & Black
DOB: June 06, 2017
OFA: Prelim HD/ED - A1 (normal)
DM : Clear - N/N (Normal)
I empathize with your plight, to a degree. I know I've lost thousands over the years from bad breeding, uneducated 'breeders' selling me pet quality dogs or worse and these were people I knew and trusted. Buy the first dog and they got me on the second. Due diligence and doing your homework would have probably uncovered this person.
by refugekennel on 01 August 2019 - 01:08
by Hundmutter on 01 August 2019 - 14:08
by old shatterhand on 02 August 2019 - 14:08
and no guarantees . Fake IPO papers, fake HD Elbows papers. I would suggest those people who bought those dog from Eastern Europe do Hips elbow xrays here in USA or send them to SV ,and will see how many will pass, never mind other health issues, or temperament. I am saying this because I know some people who did this and unfortunately they didn't pass it. Same with the puppies. You buy puppy from US reputable breeder ,if something goes wrong he,she will replace the pup. Do you think the European breeder will do that ? if even do, then you'll have to pay the hefty shipping, and other expenses cost. We have in the States or Canada much better dogs, and better breeders then those imports from Easter Europe. I used show, and go to shows for years, here and in Europe, and I tell you this, dogs which were and are winning i8n USA all were adult highly campaigned and achieved dogs brought from Germany (Many VA at BSZS) or those bred by American breeders.Look at even the BSZS show results, only few american dogs are shown each year, but they all place high in the ring, and there is more same quality dogs in America ,but the problem is the distance ,and cost which many american breeders can't afford Never seen Eastern European dog placed high in America, and only few at BSZS . Why import something unknown,and
something which don't improve, nor complement the breed. However no matter what anyone write, still there will be people willing to take the chances. Take it, but please don't complain, and cry later.
by Hundmutter on 02 August 2019 - 17:08
Well there are good breeders and bad breeders, 'European' and 'Eastern European'. Other than suggest NOBODY buys from anyone, anywhere, without first checking they have a fairly sound idea about what average expenses for shipping would be, what paperwork is involved, and what legal redress they might have if things go wrong, I would not lump every breeder in any country as all the same; there are certainly breeders in European countries [and that includes e.g. the UK, Italy, etc ] who can be found who will deal honestly. Trouble is buyers are too willing to answer ads they fancy without doing that due diligence first, and too happy to live by some "It happens to other people, it'll never happen to me." delusion.
My point was not just that people start 'talking up' their purchases too soon, (which can make you then every bit as bad as the person YOU bought from), but also that they are quite prepared to use descriptions they have no proof of - yet - EVEN IF that misleads people who might come to them for a stud or a puppy in the near future. Get the dog FIRST, check it is everything it was said to be, from all angles, whether the training qualifications, or the temperament, or the conformation, or the health; THEN decide how to describe it online. You can still use the original description; IF you agree that it is valid, and you don't want the bother of composing something else. Just wait until you know it is accurate. It isn't usually going to give you timing problems (unless you use AI in advance of buying a male, for instance); you don't then have to take it down and re-write it; and your customers will get something that you know to be true rather than speculative.
by MuchToLearn on 02 August 2019 - 18:08