by captainmember on 06 May 2019 - 11:05
I'm a new member and i'm confused for choosing the best puppy. So the breeder told me that he have two puppies and i want have one. But they are the sons of two different father.
The first father is: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2647795-cydr-vom-haus-tchorz
And the second: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2817648-rio-vom-kleinen-mohr
I'm now really love sons of the first father (CYDR Vom Haus Tchorz) because his Linebreed. But he has Hip: SV: HD a-noch zugelassen (a3).
The second farther has Hip: SV: HD a-normal (a1)
So i really need your help for choosing the correct one.
by Hundmutter on 06 May 2019 - 16:05
Obviously the sire with the better hip result is, superficially, a better choice. But wait a moment ! The mother's hip score is just as important, as are those of the grandparents, and you do not mention those, you leave it for us to find the pedigree links. The nature of Hip Dysplasia is that even generations of excellent/good/full A stamp hips will not prevent you choosing a pup which develops HD, depending on the ACTUAL GENES it has inherited. And in case of other things that can happen to it, environmentally, (trauma, diseases like arthritis, poor assimilation of chosen diet, and so on) as it is growing up.
You also tell us nothing about the elbow status of these two litters : have the parents even been tested for ED ? What about DM? Or Haemophilia A ? Looking at the pedigree for Rio, on his dam's side there are A2 and NZ hip results within the closest generations, and some ED results not recorded - even for this modern German Show breeding.
This is general info for anyone buying a puppy, who might not have such clear pedigrees as even these are, but it is still equally true for you even though you have a bit more of the health information:
Any of these problems can lead to a crippled dog somewhere down the line if you are unlucky; so your best bet is to find a pup that has both parents (at least) multiply tested for all the 'big' afflictions - and see proof of that - so that the odds are on good health; and then STILL set those results in the general perspective that you should first and foremost choose a puppy which can grow into a dog to suit your lifestyle, and be able to do what you want it to do, as part of that. Unless you know a lot about the ancestors in the pedigree, and until you say what the dog is likely to be expected to be like in day-to-day life ( how experienced in dog-ownership are you, are you into dogs sports, do you have young family / other animals, do you want a dog to Show / are you considering breeding later on ... and so on), then neither the breeder of these two pups nor people here on PDB can advise in much detail on what you should look for.
by captainmember on 07 May 2019 - 07:05
I’m going to ask the Breeder information of twos mother and will get back to you after that.
by captainmember on 07 May 2019 - 08:05
Here is his wife: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2680991-blizzy-vom-solitar
She has a1 for the Hip.
So father has a3 but mother a1. Will their sons go to good?
by Hundmutter on 07 May 2019 - 12:05
Dogs with better hip scores usually (but not always) produce better overall scores in their offspring than previous generations in the pedigree. So if you put any dog with a full A stamp [A1] to any bitch with an A stamp equally good, you increase the CHANCES of both donating genes which result in good hips. BUT IT ISN'T FOOLPROOF.
Suggest you read up on HD a bit and you will see why I say this about the problem. We can only reduce the odds a bit on breeding dogs with very good hips, we cannot at the moment 'cure' the disease, it is too complex.
Even people like me who have always been convinced that we might get rid of HD 'one day' have to admit there's not a lot of concrete evidence to show breeding with tested stock really is making any steady difference to the overall number of cases or improvement in hip construction across the GSD (or other afflicted breeds). Which is why my answer above tries to get you to fixate less on the good hip result of the chosen sire, OR dam, and much more on the general health picture of those dogs; and on the life you want the dog to lead.
by kitkat3478 on 09 May 2019 - 03:05
The first 8 weeks of pups life is a very important time in their lives. I myself am firm believer in diet and exercise from early on is a big factor in HD, I almost think environmental a bigger cause of the problem, other wise, as Hund mentions, not making much stride in reducing, even though breeding good to good hips.
Just food for thought.