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by mike817 on 22 April 2019 - 12:04

So I bought a male GSD to breed, went back to the same breeder for a female puppy a yr later. Sent the DNA off for the male only to find out that he in fact wasnt out of the litter he was represented to be (thats a whole other issue ill be addressing later, Its corrected some 6 months later thank you AKC). Anyway my question here is are they in your expert(s) opinion too close to breed-- their respective sires have the same dam-- Thanks in advance


by Koots on 22 April 2019 - 12:04

If I am inderstanding you correctly, then the breeding would be 2-2 on that one sire. That is not allowed under SV breeding rules and is considered too close for many breeders.

by mike817 on 22 April 2019 - 12:04

my male and female have different sires out of the same dam.

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by Fantom76 on 22 April 2019 - 13:04

I think that Koots meant to say that the breeding is 2-2 on the granddam (sires dam)

by Nans gsd on 22 April 2019 - 15:04

Would be a l/2 brother sister breeding, same dam different sires. Maybe too close.

by apple on 22 April 2019 - 15:04

I would also be asking what do you think this breeding would contribute to the breed?


by Hundmutter on 22 April 2019 - 18:04

Unless you are a very experienced breeder who knows their way around the dogs in a pedigree, and are breeding to produce something specific ( and willing to take attendant risks of having something less wanted show up), then having two half-brothers as sires to my two dogs I want to mate - even if there were no other close relatives in the last 3 generations - would be 'breeding too close' for my preference. It isn't so uncommon, famous winning dogs and their brothers/half-brothers are used in kennel lines often enough. But that usually results, not in 'better' pups, but in a lot of fairly mediocre offspring.

by Rik on 22 April 2019 - 21:04

normally one would only breed this close to set some very desired traits and would have knowledge of good and bad for some generations.

on the other hand, total out cross can be total crap also.

so, I guess the keyword would be "knowledge", and I think you asking shows you are on that road.


by hexe on 23 April 2019 - 00:04

Curious as to where you obtained the two dogs, given that your male's DNA didn't match his registration info.

Breeding 1/2 sibling to 1/2 sibling to produce mentally- and physically-sound offspring really requires a breeder to intimately know what the strengths and weaknesses are running through both the shared parent as well as the one that is not shared, and then have some idea of whether the undesirable traits tend to be dominant or recessive. Ordinarily, I'd suggest you go back to the breeder you obtained the dogs from, but I'm not so certain that individual has sufficient experience to be able to provide you with reliable information in that respect, under the circumstances.

It's definitely not a breeding scenario I'd recommend a novice breeder embark upon.

by SavanaTheHusky on 23 April 2019 - 22:04

my friend has a similar issue..on her pedigrees, the male and female has the same grand sire, (their dams sire is the same but their dam and sire to both dogs are different ) will this be any issues if breeding? Note, this is in philippines aka PCCI and i did notice some breeders here stud their dogs from same litter (pomeranian) so i got surprised..for me it seems kinda way to close..but what do u think? Thx!


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