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by Working Dawgs on 26 January 2019 - 02:01

I sold a pup from my last litter that has just been diagnosed with an underbite at 10 months of age. The vet says, "Caudally displaced mandibular canine teeth positioned medial to the maxillary canine teeth". He also states, "Overbiting, lower left canine impinging on upper palate" The pup is otherwise doing fine, just had the procedure and it doing great, but both his parents didn't have any teeth problems, so....

My question is was this hereditary? or could anything else could have caused this?

My vet missed it twice and the new owner's vet also missed it when they had him health checked at 8 weeks.

by duke1965 on 26 January 2019 - 07:01

normally its genetic issue, it is possible that pup didnot show this issue at 6 or 8 weeks, as the underjaw grows for a longer period of time, the problem can show at little older (pup) age, or, if it shows already at 8 weeks, it can be worse at 4 or 5 months

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by mrdarcy on 26 January 2019 - 12:01

Yes this is normally hereditary and parents do not have to show condition, 1 in 5 puppies in a litter show the condition. My vet says the both sides are normally affected by the damage to upper palate. I had a Westie pup diagnosed with this at around 3 months, missed at 8 week vet check??

We were told we may have to remove lower canines in puppy but no guarantee that the adult canines wouldn't need out too. Glad we waited as this dog no longer has this problem his adult teeth came in and no damage to upper palate he is now nearly 3.

The reason I am telling my story is when this puppy was about 8 weeks he got his lower jaw stuck in the spaces of a wire crate. It took a few minutes to release the puppy who was struggling and panicking. There was some blood but could see no major damage he was completely fine. I firmly believe that this caused some movement in the teeth and put them out of line causing the upper palate damage. One side was always worse than the other, the damage healed after adult teeth came in.

My vet couldn't believe it when she saw it says it was a miracle, lol,lol, No it wasn't it was just wrongly diagnosed, I even informed the breeder. So in this case it was not hereditary it was an accident on a very young puppy's soft mouth which I had forgotten about until his adult teeth came in and it was fine.

by Working Dawgs on 26 January 2019 - 16:01

Thank you both for your input :-) I just haven't heard a lot about overbites in German shepherds, and didn't know what else could have caused this issue.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 26 January 2019 - 17:01

Sometiems it's worth waiting them out up until about a little over a year. The jaw is the last piece to finish growing and correcting itself.
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by mrdarcy on 26 January 2019 - 17:01

My puppy had a slight overbite when we got him at 8 weeks now at 3 he is fine.

by Nans gsd on 27 January 2019 - 01:01

I recommend growing pup out; I have had 2 or 3 dogs with bite deficiencies', have come out OK later in life,not perfect but OK. So things definitely change. Grow pup out.  ASSUMING YOU LIKE EVERY THINGS ELSE ABOUT THE PUP OR DOG.

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 27 January 2019 - 09:01

Not wanting to be depressing about whether it will correct itself or not, just trying to show there are two sides to this issue: I spotted an overbite on one of my mentor's pups at about 4 months and asked if it was likely to improve with time ? She reckoned not, and she was right. By the time I took him on as my house dog at 17 months he was fully developed and the bite had matured with the rest of him. It wasn't hugely pronounced, but every vet, experienced person, Surveyor or show judge I had him around saw it. Nobody ever suggested surgical correction (or that it was even possible); but it was a good thing he was never destined for the Show ring.

Have to add that throughout his long life, it never gave Taz any problem with eating, carrying a ball, biting a bite-bar, whatever.

mrdarcy (admin)

by mrdarcy on 27 January 2019 - 13:01

Not all overbites can interfere with the upper palate, my puppy had 2 small punctures where the bottom canines were touching the palate. One side was hardly noticeable the other more so, the 2 bottom canines were positioned slightly in ward directly under top palate so every time the mouth closed they pierced the top gum/palate. In a normal mouth those teeth would have placed to the outside of the top gum/palate so missing the space where the puncture was.

Maybe not making much sense here but if you Google "Caudally displaced mandibular canine teeth" there's plenty info/pictures out there, some really bad damage done to the top palate and teeth having to be removed. That's why I am convinced mine was caused by the puppy getting stuck on the wire cage as only one side of his mouth had the hole in the palate. He did have a very slight overbite that I did not even notice, my wife who is very thorough did see it. Not even sure if this has anything to do with overbites but more to do with the position of those bottom canines.I didn't look into it any further when my pup ended up fine but I believe and I could be very wrong that these are 2 separate conditions.

Talking of overbites had a few GSD puppy with overbites of varying severity all righted themselves bar one, so bad he did get corrective surgery. He was adopted by a vet nurse who got the treatment done, he was so bad as he aged he looked like an advark/anteater. In all my years that is the only one I knew of that needed surgery.

There's plenty of info out there this is the first link I came too

https://www.dentalvets.co.uk/common-cases/lingually-displaced-canines

 


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mrdarcy (admin)

by mrdarcy on 27 January 2019 - 14:01

. Can I ask what procedure was done to your dog??


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