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by Sapphire13 on 30 December 2018 - 13:12

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His breeder said that him and his sister are all black but lately my boy looks like he has alot of tan to be all black, and I can't seem to find a clear definition online. His vent is the same cream color as the top colored part of his legs. He is starting to get some cream/tan along his shoulder and in parts of his neck as well, does having the cream and tan auto disqalify him from being a bicolor? His sister is all black sans the white patch on her chest. They are 7.5 months old. Bonus him and his sister to make up for the unflatering photos.

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Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 30 December 2018 - 16:12

There are a number of threds here on PDB which discuss unusual colour in growing GSDs; a fairly recent one you might start by reading is:
"Black GSD with sable (ish) tail ?!"

Type that title into the space offered by the "Search Forums" box at top left of this page.
(Sorry I can't do you a direct link at the moment).
Bundishep

by Bundishep on 30 December 2018 - 19:12

He's extreme dark sable
Ryanhaus

by Ryanhaus on 31 December 2018 - 01:12

You can tell a lot by his pedigree and the colors of dogs in the pedigree,

If he's on here in the database it would be neat to see the different colors 

of his family tree Wink Smile

I agree withBundishep, he is an extreme dark sable  ;) 

Just think...... if you were to shave all his fur off, I think he would then be tan,

Take your hand and runalong his fur in the opposite direction of how it lays flat,

you should see a lighter color underneath.

Sable is black tipped hairs.

If he was a solid black, he would be solid black under his tail/vent.....

The darkest sable I ever had was my girl maddie....

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Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 31 December 2018 - 09:12

Those are Sable, rather than Tan /Gold, feet, b.t.w. Tan under the vent, whether on Sable or Bicolour dogs, isn't definitive really (as it will usually be tan, not sabled) - like the white patch on the chest of a black dog (see the sister), it kinda "just is" ! Sometimes the amount of the colour 'patch' expands or decreases with the age of dog. Agree with the others, this looks as though he's a (very) dark Sable. I directed you to the other thred because of your first photo; it contains interesting comments on an increasing phenomena: as more and more very dark sables and 'all-black' dogs increase in the breed, we are getting quite a lot of cases of these odd - usually sable, but sometimes 'silver' markings - 'bleeding' through on the lower legs as puppies grow up.

Prager

by Prager on 01 January 2019 - 17:01

Dark sable.

by Sapphire13 on 02 January 2019 - 01:01

Ah ok, on his AKC pedigree all his relatives are listed as black even though his dad has some similar feet markings my lil guy has a lot more color on him so I was confused. I know some all blacks can have a little bleed through of tan but he seemed excessive. I didn't even realize sables could be prominently solid colored!
Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 02 January 2019 - 08:01

If you pluck a supposedly single colour dark hair from a sable dog, it will still show the banding right at the root. These dark sables seem to have arisen because nobody refuses to mate sable to sable these days. Time was when it was believed by some that this would somewhat be like mating merle to merle in collies, it would weaken the dogs, even prove fatal to puppies. Matters have progressed since then ! :-)


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