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by Prager on 03 October 2018 - 00:10


I have purchased 3 pups from a cop who has my malinois trained by us as a LE K9 . That dog had many apprehensions with bite and over 200 detections finds ( drugs finds). Since breeding is not as easy as some think Wink Smile  he asked me if I would help him since he had 10 pups and he is exhausted.  I said I would and I have purchased 3 pups 1 female and 2 males, and I will train them for LE. 
 Yes, LOL  I,... Hans have purchased Malinois - but only under duress, I tell you.What Smile ( Joke) 
The pups should be shipped to PHX and Lo and Behold yesterday I have learned, that you can not ship even a puppy of Belgian Malinois on United Air. The reason given to us was/is that Malinois are "strong jaws breed" Roll eyeswhatever that means. Maybe someone can educate me. 
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Risk factors for certain breed types
While every pet is unique, there are specific physical attributes and characteristic behaviors common to certain cat and dog breeds which require that special consideration is given to whether the pet can be transported safely by air. Other factors, including the design of the travel crate and weather conditions along the route, should also be considered. The specific cat and dog breeds listed below have physical or behavioral traits that place them at a higher risk to be negatively affected by air travel. Those pets deemed by United to be at greatest risk, including the breeds below, are not permitted to travel on United via our PetSafe program.
Effective June 18, 2018, United PetSafe will no longer accept the following breeds for transport (including purebred and mixed breed):
Dog Breeds*
American Bully
American Pit Bull Terrier/Pit Bull
American Staffordshire Terrier/"Amstaff"
Belgian Malinois
Boston Terrier
Brussels Griffon
Bulldog – all types
Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
Chow Chow
English Toy Spaniel/Prince Charles Spaniel
Japanese Chin/Japanese Spaniel
Lhasa Apso
Mastiffs – all types
Pug – all types
Shar-Pei/Chinese Shar-Pei
Staffordshire Bull Terrier/"Staffys"
Tibetan Spaniel


Cat Breeds
Exotic Shorthair
* Including mixed breeds[/ul]

by Nans gsd on 03 October 2018 - 01:10

Looks to me like the smushed faced breeds or short squashed noses; Hence breathing problems. Same with cats all smushed faced breeds.

Mali's are stricktly dogs they cannot handle and are deemed dangerous dogs due to protection.. Nan

by Prager on 03 October 2018 - 02:10

FYI Airline employees are not handling dogs. They are moving containers approved by the federal government on pallets by forklifts.
And you say dogs who are protection dogs are dangerous? Seriously? Also, this applies to puppies of 8 weeks.
How are they dangerous.
First they came after malinois and I do not have malinois thus I did not care. Then they came after xyz dogs and I do not have xyz dogs so I did not care . And not when they came after GSDs there was no one left to speak for me.

"First they came ..." is a poem written by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller . It is about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language. It deals with themes of persecution, guilt and responsibility.
First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

by Hundmutter on 03 October 2018 - 15:10

Stupid, 'single breeds' rules devised by idiots (like so much BSL legislation, world-wide). Dreamt up by people who probably would not even recognise a Malinois if they saw one. Not all Malis are protection-trained.

We used to see that here when there was all the shit about Rotties being 'devil dogs' fifteen or twenty years ago.

I can understand the reluctance to carry the brachicephalic breeds because some of those flat faces are so badly bred the dogs (and cats) could collapse en route if they cannot breathe - but that has FA to do with biting strength.


by Prager on 03 October 2018 - 16:10

Some people mentioned that they were banned because they are trained protection.
This may be so even though such notion, that protection trained dog's are more dangerous is totally ignorant any case other breeds are trained and are not banned. Thus there must be some other issue I would like to know what it is. I have learned for the first time about this "strong jaw " dogs which eludes me as well. Of course dog in a belly of the plane in a FAA approved crate - how is such dog dangerous?

by susie on 03 October 2018 - 17:10

I hope you are kidding...

In case you are not most of the breeds listed are known to have breath problems, dogs and cats.

The Malinois? No clue...
Maybe one or two adult ones were able to destroy/open the crate (hyperactive, nervous, afraid, aggressive - whatever).

by Prager on 03 October 2018 - 17:10

No, I am not kidding. The reason listed is "Strong Jaw". I have even called the United Airlines and that is what I was told. When I asked what it means the person on the phone did not know. Here is a direct quote from their website:

Before you book

New acceptance policies

On June 18, 2018, United implemented new embargoes and restrictions for travel via United PetSafe.

  • United transports cats and dogs only via our PetSafe program.
  • Please note new breed embargoes for certain purebred and/or mixed-breed brachycephalic (or short- or snub-nosed) cats and dogs and strong-jawed dogs.
  • You may book your pet's travel up to 30 days in advance, but all reservations must be made at least 5 days prior to each pet’s departure.
  • For the most up-to-date information, please see


by Hundmutter on 03 October 2018 - 19:10

During the media campaign against Rottweilers in the UK I mentioned above, a lot of crap was written / talked about the crushing power of Rottie's jaws. As if it takes 'crushing power' to inflict a bad bite, if that is what is going to occur.
As if an out-of-control heavy dog could not kill a small child without actually inflicting huge biting capacity.

As usual with these campaigns, precious little attention was paid to the faults of handlers associated with such incidents.

The estimates of what that power actually amounted to (in Pressure Per Inch) varied wildly. They only calmed down once actual scientists got involved in the debate, and showed there wasn't anything that special or different about the amount of power exerted by Rotts, as compared with other dogs' biting ability. Maybe the airline is labouring under similar illusions ?

I would certainly argue that most Rotties are likely to have a stronger jaw pressure capability than most Malis, just by head shape, if that was the be-all-and-end-all ... but Rotts are not on this List, are they?


And as you have argued, a dog in a skycrate isn't likely to have access to use its jaws on anyone anyway, unless it gets taken out on stopover during a particularly long flight.


by susie on 03 October 2018 - 20:10

I have seen dogs (GSDs) able to destroy airline crates - I geuss one or two crazy Mals did so while in a United airplane...

by Hundmutter on 03 October 2018 - 21:10

Yeah, I've had one who might have been able to do that, he sure was a powerful chewer and destructive force in his day - would have had to have thought twice about how he travelled with any airline, if I'd wanted to send him anywhere. But is the odd individual dog like that a reason to refuse to carry the whole breed, on the offchance it will be a problem; when other breeds and mixes, equally capable, can still be placed on board ? And when not all Malis are crazy ?

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