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by 2Cats on 28 July 2018 - 11:07

Hi guys..
I am getting a dogue de bordeaux puppy in a few months.. With the german shepherds we never had issues with bloat..but apparently mastiffs are more prone to it.

Question is raised or not raised bowls???have they figured it out yet?
Food type...
I know no exercise before and after eating... but what is the final..or sort of final speculation on what is the do's and don'ts?

by joanro on 28 July 2018 - 14:07

Ever hear about cow flatulence ? It's caused by the fermentation of the grain they eat. Too much corn, and a cow will also bloat! Too much legume and cows will bloat ....take heed! Fementation causes gases to form, and when there is not enough gas escaping fast enough, the container ( in this case, the animal's stomach ) will expand and bust!

Any dog, no matter what breed, will bloat if more gas is produced in the stomach and the gas cannot be released faster than it builds up. Gas Caused by fermintation ....
The de bordeax is rather loose in abdominal muscles and is very wet...in other words, heavy loose skin, loose ligaments therefore loose innards that stretch and stretch and stretch till so much gas is contained that the dog's life is jeopardised.
Breeds with tight ligaments, tight skin, tuck up gut are also tight and not flaccid internally, as well. So gas can be expelled more efficiently...but dogs are not supposed to eat grains and legumes because they ferment and cause gas that can kill the dog !

Do Not Feed Grains nor Legumes!!

by 2Cats on 28 July 2018 - 15:07

Hi Joanro,

After our cats heart problems we found out real fast how bad peas, legumes and grains are, so we swithed to a grain free pea, legumes and potato free cat food, halted the progression of the Enlarged heart....they are now on Young again..

We are planning on feeding the new pup this..what do you think?:   https://www.youngagainpetfood.com/4016-dog-food.html 

by joanro on 28 July 2018 - 16:07

2cats, find out what the calcium to phosphorus ratio is for that brand....

https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/best-large-breed-puppy-food/

 


by joanro on 28 July 2018 - 16:07

I had trouble pasting this on the above post....from that website linked above. ( If they do not published the calcium and phosphorus for that brand, do NOT use it for your puppy)

I feed Victor Nutra Pro for dogs and puppies to my gsd puppis and adults...for your mastif pup you may want Victor Hi-Plus for Active dogs and puppies


From above website:

To meet the more rigid safety guidelines for large breed puppies, a dog food must contain

1.2 to 1.8% calcium
1.0 to 1.6% phosphorus
Calcium-to-phosphorus ratio 1:1 to 1.8:1

by 2Cats on 28 July 2018 - 16:07

Hi, Here is the info from Young again..

Calcium  1.24

Phosphorous   0.91

Phosphorous mg/100 kcals  256mg/100kcal

 

Ratio is 1.4 to 1

 

Do you think it is good to go ahead with it? I really love that it has no grains and plant protein.

by joanro on 28 July 2018 - 17:07

Look at the site in the link I posted. You should read it. I don't believe your brand has enough phosphorus....1.0% is minimum....your's falls short.

I don't like the protien source, and the fact that 'potato starch' is the second ingredient....there is zero nutrition in that and so it's just a filler. Plus the 'cellulose' is nothing but wood shavings, also for filler.

Look at the ingredients of the Victor I posted....compare the protien sources .

by joanro on 28 July 2018 - 17:07

My vet told me the biggest problem with dog food for puppies is NOt the protient content, as is usually the focus.

But the biggest problem is  NOT enough Phosphorus...I would pass on that brand you posted.


by 2Cats on 28 July 2018 - 17:07

thank you Joanro..we were looking at victor before we saw this brand so we will stick with victor.Thank you again!!!
Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 31 July 2018 - 19:07

Countries that don't feed dogs entirely on dry kibble have a much lower incidence of bloat. I would supplement kibble with wet food or maybe raw/cooked meat or even table scraps.

This study dispels may myths about causes of bloat. They found there was NO CORRELATION between bloat and exercise, and raising the bowls actually increased the chances of bloat:

https://www.vin.com/apputil/content/defaultadv1.aspx?meta=Generic&pId=11165&id=3848657

One thing I've noticed is a lot of dogs seem to bloat after playing in the water, or playing with water from the hose. Marley, the famous dog from the movie, bloated after catching snowballs. I think the cold of the snow might have caused his stomach to spasm, trapping gas inside of it. I have also heard of dogs bloating after eating ice cubes on a hot day, for the same reason.
 


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