Inappropriate Agression , but is this a fear biter? - Page 4

Sunny: Yes I went to his website too; thought I'd made it clear we were talking France when I referred to French Law Enforcement in my last but one post.(Just didn't want to exclude possiblities in the first post !)

Obviously I expect people to read my thoughts too much, and should spell things out more. (Not sure why I should have to do that when so many others expect me/us to read THEIR minds, though. )

I agree there may be other things than shown on video, quite a lot of the website is sketchy, but I investigated all pages and could not find any mention of sports training as distinct from basic training and the problem-solving.  I thought at first he too was some sort of Franchise promoter (he talks about syndication) but there are no clues as to other trainers, or other branches, and he seems more 'hands on' than the lot behind the second video - so he probably does not have time to work on the sports area.  Bit less demand for bitework training in France anyway, like here its more specialised and less synonimous with general 'Training' than a lot  of America seems to regard it.

I am with Duke here. I just had a Mali like this. Seemed to be out of confidence but absolutely wasn't. Dog also went after cars, spinning in circles, redirecting onto you, coming up the leash over corrections, resource guarding and some other stuff. The dog was unpredictable in a lot of situations and it's the first unstable Mali I ever had. People asked if he wasn't just "dominant". No he wasn't. He had a loose screw and it was born out of fear. His tail was always up too, so were his hackles. In my opinion, a tail worn high doesn't mean much with a Malinois. In the end he was put to sleep because a: nobody wanted him and b: he was too dangerous to be let loose on society.

 

Roots from this trainer comes from the France  Ringsport trainer and decoy ..

 

Black Mal : ? "Roots from..." - don't understand, please clarify. Do you mean that Mssr Pupier is, or was, a Ringsport trainer himself ? If so I would not disbelieve it, but that does not appear from his website to be how he is majoring in advertising his services currently.

It would be likely to qualify him well for sorting out peoples' problem dogs, of course, whatever training they had previously had.

B/Erbe, anybody could get stuck with a deranged specimen such as you describe, they don't have to have been ineffective in handling it. But the odds are more on this just being an ordinary dog who got above himself, stuck with people who don't understand how to cope. Purely numerological probability.

Like I said, we don't get enough information to do more than put our own interpretations on what is going on (in the first video). Something I would like to know is: was the guy holding the dog for Purnier initially the owner, or was he a trainer's assistant, and the smirking man who went back to his car the actual owner ? Along with the out-of-shot female whose voice is heard ?

It's really hard to make any honest assessment of the situation just watching some videos/pics.

In another thread saw some pics of a dog kept down but fangs out growling to the helper.

First impression, wow this dog doesn't have any confidence in the leadership qualities of the handler, so wants to take control of the situation. Is still down because maybe was fried earlier trying to disobey (shock collar?)

Then, everybody said this is how a REAL GSD should behave. 🙁

@baren
You support you explaination with the "tail wag" , but what about the dog staring directly at the helper and pinning his front legs over the heleprs legs. Are those latter signs that he is "afraid" of the helper ?

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glock, that is behaviour to impress,bodylanguage is telling how comfortable he really is, not that much

@swarn, I rehomed a GSD like that too, from famous breeder, shitty nervebag,

but he learned that whenever he started growling the people would back off, so that is what he did and he grew comfortable in that behaviour,but actually was an insecure dog

Swarn : "everybody" said that ???