by acong on 24 March 2018 - 08:03
I am questioning two groups of working line German Shepherds.
I. West German Schutzhund line (with strong working titles) such as Maise's Bonifatius, Como v. Bonauer Wald, Sam Beit Haboxer Mehagiva, etc.
II. Security line such as Vonammerberg Drago, Regalhaus Hagi, Vom Sirius Banks, Xamm vom Oxemberg, Security Lex, etc.
My questions are as follow.
a) Which group is more intelligent and easier to train, Group I or Group II?
b) Which group is easier to live with?
c) Generally, which group have better temperament (more obedient, stable temperament, have on and off switch)?
d) Lastly, if you have to choose one, which group would you have?
I really appreciate your personal comments. Thank you.
by Gustav on 27 March 2018 - 13:03
by apple on 27 March 2018 - 14:03
by acong on 30 March 2018 - 09:03
by apple on 30 March 2018 - 12:03
by Hundmutter on 30 March 2018 - 14:03
West German SchH is hardly 'one line' either, acong.
There may be breeding links between the dogs you name, but I never heard of any of them. I found Como v. Bonauer Wald on here, he has for e.g. Mohenweise breeding which like most German dogs under the German system means the sporting and showline blood runs through both - but his pedigree was placed 18 years ago ! Influence would be fading ...
And yet I am far more familiar with names & pedigrees of WG dogs than I am with the detail of dogs bred for generations of actual 'Working' lines - by which I take it you mean Personal Protection as well as the various aspects of Security industries, etc - in America (or elsewhere).
Like apple, I think you are looking at the question of what you personally want in a dog the wrong way up. Don't worry about which of those two 'lines' other people prefer, that is a nonsense distinction anyway. Instead decide 'how much dog' YOU can handle; and study the dogs alive today which are available to you, and come to your own conclusions. Just about everybody wants a dog to have an 'Off-switch'; only an idiot wants one that is clearly hyperactive, or unsafe. Where you draw the lines will depend not just on the individual dog - and mostly its immediate relatives - but on your abilities and experience as a handler / trainer of dogs.
by Koots on 30 March 2018 - 17:03
by acong on 01 April 2018 - 00:04
I have seen some intelligent shepherds which are very easy to be trained and learn quickly but some are not. I have seen some like running and running around the field. I heard the DDR or Czech shepherds are harder but more suitable for security/protection/Police dogs. In general, are they more intelligent than West German line?
I prefer the moderate drive shepherds but has the potential to be trained for Schutzhund or security dog someday as well as easy to live with (not demanding heavy exercise everyday).
I live in Australia. Does anyone know such a kennel that breed those character of Shepherds?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
by Hundmutter on 01 April 2018 - 06:04
What a pity our poster in Victoria, Australia, 'VK4', no longer visits these pages; I'm sure he might have been able to help with this one !
@Acong, which State are you based in ? Can you not contact a Club anywhere in reach ( I know Oz can be geographically difficult). There are breeders in your country who are into making Working Lines dogs, its not all show & conformation there. It is all about making contacts.
As dogs are individuals, there will be some less 'drivy' pups in some WL litters, you need to find a breeder who knows what they are doing and can pick you out an appropriate pup and who you can trust. If you are seeing dogs running around a ring ... those are Show folk, but keep approaching them with the RIGHT questions and you may well be able to find what you are looking for; SOME Show people are interested in Work, or will have contacts with those who are; there may be local Breed Notes or magazines you can find Kennels listed in, etc.
by Hundmutter on 01 April 2018 - 07:04
And when you talk about 'someday potential' please remember the GSD always needs training, you cannot park even the softest natured Show Dog on a shelf for a year then expect it to be any good for anything except being a spoilt brat. People who train GSDs for SchH OR Protection work start by 6 months at the latest if they want really successful results, no matter HOW the dog is bred; and a lot of basics are going in, from well before that in puppyhood.
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