Realistic time frame for titling a dog - Page 2

For a skilled handler with regular access to a decoy 7 months ( and less ) is no problem at all

Why does it sound like anything, BW? You don't know the dog, handler, or judge. For all you know, the dog could have been one of the greatest or one of the worst that ever lived. The point is, there is no issue whatsoever with a 7 month gap between untitled and titled, as is allegedly "suspicious" per "Mithuna's friend." Sounds like Mr. Darcy's advice was dead-on and they both need to shut up. Even Mithuna should be convinced by the overwhelming chorus answering yes, totally possible, especially in Europe with a professional trainer/handler working full time at it. :)

Quite simply…1, 2, 3 with a 288 and then sold to the United States…I’m going to lean towards the fact that the dog wasn’t “one of the greatest.” No regional or national competition after that I’m assuming as well. You seem to have a lot of information about it, yet instead of posting who the judge was or where the trial was and at what level, you got quite defensive about my statement. Dog could’ve been good, but 7 months is too short to truly get a V performance out of a dog without the help of eased judging. There’s just zero need to deny that fact. If the dog was so fantastic, and could get those scores across all levels, he would’ve been shown more and there wouldn’t be any question about the legitimacy of his training. I’m not saying he got fake titles, I’m saying he got inflated scores.

That´s not fair - 99 % of all dogs titled in Germany "only" title locally, neither regionally, nor nationally.

There are several reasons

• the handler isn´t good enough
• the handler isn´t interested
• the handler/dog team simply doesn´t fit
• the handler / owner needed money
• the dog isn´t good enough
• the club isn´t good enough
• the dog was owned by a pet dog owner
• ...

"Titled locally" first of all only means "titled locally" - not more, not less.
288 points on a local trial are way above the average - everything else?
You need to see the dog...

 

"Dog could’ve been good, but 7 months is too short to truly get a V performance out of a dog without the help of eased judging."

It is possible, it does happen, although not often - and don´t forget "untitled" in my country doesn´t implement "untrained" - dogs of club members are raised and trained different than dogs owned by pet people - even an "untitled dog" will know the basics...

BW you are so full of it people who train pp dog's can't train for titles. And people who train for titles get them to easy . U must really struggle to train your dog to such doubt in the competence of other dog trainers or you are one of these people who put everyone around u down id say u are one of these people in the club who speaks behind others back in your club iv met many like u over the year's. U wont tell any one who u are.  U hide who your dog is . 

Yogi not quiet true a PPD titles. Many organisations have came and gone for PPD titles.

They all failed except some parts of euro because the PPD crowd or more corrupt and lazy than show crowd.

The PPD crowd generally hate having to prove anything and are hence the laughing stock of dog world.

I am embarrassed about ever saying I trained PPD.

PPD is a cringe worthy word. Look at Donovan.

Pp is cringe worthy if u don't know what u are doing and if your to lazy to put the work in I agree . But if you put the time and effort in obedience environmental control. You are right about when people who get there dog to bite and dont go any further are lazy and have destroyed it for other's .

its not only possible in Germany but also USA, I know of a dog trained high level and sold to USA after BH, has IPO 2 now and a 3 within total of 7 months and going national level most likely or even more, the load of work was done before titling

You're right guys, ignore the facts. I didn't say anything bad about the dog. The facts presented tell me that more than likely the dog got some help when it comes to points. Nothing wrong with that. You people are really blind or just can't possibly even whisper the fact that SCORING IS DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL YOU TRIAL AT. To me this doesn't make it a LEGITIMATE 288.

Over the last two years, three dogs got 288 or higher at the WUSV. Three dogs got 288 or higher at the FCI in 2015, no one did in 2016. So why is it wrong to point out the fact that the dog got a 288 under easier scoring?

You're right though...a world level dog gets sold to the United States never to be trialed or seen again...there are also questions of whether or not the titles it got were legitimate in the first place. Happens all the time. People import amazing males that no one hears about and no one breeds to even though they got a 288 at the last trial they were at and they're god's gift to IPO.

Some of you really have comprehension problems. Others are so attached to a dog or a person that you can't possibly be expected to stay rational and objective. Most of you thought just perpetuate the secrets you need in order to sell dogs. I'd say that those of you getting 280s at your clubs need to keep people believing that the 280 at the club level is the same as a 280 at the national level, but most don't train or trial anyways so you're not even getting those scores. Stop keeping things a secret...be open with it...people need to know the difference between your dog getting a high score at a local level and a dog getting a high score at a regional/national level.

And yes Duke...dogs are sold with high level training and get those high points...but in general, they aren't hidden away, they're known about, they're shown, and there's never a doubt about their titles being legitimate.

Yes, Duke. Exactly. The work started as a puppy and young dog!

BW, you must have the most negative view of the world of anyone I've ever met.  LOL! Your profound skepticism is comedic at this point. Yikes.

His owner has probably been dead longer than you've even been involved in dogs, actually. None of what you're saying has any merit whatsoever. The dog and handler were mentioned in another thread, anyway. It's just beyond poor taste to spread falsehoods about someone who cannot defend themselves. And yeah, I know plenty about them. He was a real person, with real accomplishments, used his real name EVERYwhere he went (hint, hint) and a really good friend. He's not here to defend himself, so I will.

7 months is NOT too short when the dog has been groomed for it his whole life! We're not talking about a dog picked up at the pound (ground zero) and all of a sudden, 7 months later, he's SchH3. No, we're talking about a nice dog with a respectable SchH3 earned at almost exactly 2years old, after being picked MUCH younger by said world-level competitor...a senior citizen by the time this dog was born. He would not embarrass himself with bought titles (as Mithuna suggested initially) or a gift from a judge.  He was perfectly honest about the difference between passing scores for quick titles and breeding and scores for competition dogs. This title or score was NEVER doubted until just this week with Mithuna and his so-called "DDR breeder friend"!

Let me guess- you're single, BW? :D Certainly no one could be good enough if you keep this view of the world in your personal life as well! ;-)