Realistic time frame for titling a dog - Page 1

I recently came across a breeder of working line GSD who expressed his doubts about whether or not a particular imported GSD was titled. According to him the dog was untitled and then 7 months later , the dog arrived in the USA as SCHIII.
Is it possible for a dog to go from untitled to SCH III in 7 months? Why/not? Whats a realistic expectation?

How old was the dog ... don't use title for IPO as the be all of training ... Ring sports require a better dog and much more demanding training.
As far as IPO titles go I would be surprised if a dog could go from 15 months to 22 months and get all IPO titles ... it is not impossible but suspicious. There are a lot of titled IPO dogs that are not trained. A noted USCA member who runs a puppy mill in NC claims his one year old male went to Germany to be trained by a Rottweiler trainer and came back with all Schutzhund titles one year later with Schutzhund 1-3 and FH 2 .... but never competed again ... just a stud with as he put it all the titles he could get. A 15 month old dog would need to be pretty much ready for a IPO II at 15 months to get to III at 22 months but it could be done.  A full time trainer and friendly judges would make it easy while a part time trainer with several dogs and honest judges would find it very difficult.

Yes, that is possible. Some people train for the 3. Meaning, you train the dog, tge dog is ready for the Bh through 3. You can easily put all 4 on the dog in 7 months.

I know which breeder you're speaking of and which dog. The question is the training, not the titles. A dog can be trained for a 3 and not titled. I've watched a club member put the 1, 2 and three on a dog that was bought trained in the first 6 weeks he got the dog. Made the world team that year too.

So, it is more a matter of whether this dog had substantial training. 7 months is a short period, but you'd be surprised what you can do with a dog in a short period, if you have the time. Scores may not be great.

I have had almost all my dogs ready for the B at 12 months, like old rules, and they were doing quite well in protection and most doing articles on the track at that age, and that is starting with a pup at 8 weeks/2months. So think of how much more you could do with an adult that already has training and foundation work done.

Possible? Yes. If you know what you are doing? Able to train several days a week, good foundation work. BH and Sch 1, same weekend. Sch2 and 3 a month or two apart. Many trainers think you go for the BH after the dog is ready for the Sch.1. Many people believe that it is harder to get the Sch 1 than the 2 and 3. The dog is a blank slate for the BH and Sch 1. Sch 2 and three are all extensions of the Sch1. You can always request a video of the trials. Who does not record this stuff now.

Because, Kyle, it's not a "now" dog we're talking about. Mithuna is talking about a dog back in 2006, belonging to a very well-respected (if not always well-liked, LOL) world-level competitor. Some wacko DDR breeder who he won't name apparently told him the dog's titles were suspicious. My guess is the rumor-spreader just didn't like the owner. I know for a fact that the dog absolutely had the training. He was trained by professionals for the purpose of getting him titled, not by some hobbyist who only worked the dog on weekends. There was plenty of time for that dog to get those titles and those of us who actually knew the owner personally (he's been dead for almost 5 years, but that doesn't stop a stand-up guy like Mithuna from trash-talking...oh, would he have had a field day with Mithuna were he still alive...) know there is no way he would play fake title games like that.

definately possible, first of all the professionals who train dogs for a living train them every day, and if you train IPO 3 program from day 1 it is easy
furthermore you dont want to expect top scores in a short time, there is such a thing as "passing scores",

if a dog ends up with a good trainer after that his scores can go up by good training, I sold a good IPO3 dog to Carlos Rojas that improved on his scores quite a bit after being trained and handled by Carlos

So Mithuna you have your answer you can now inform your " friend " to shut up and I would advise you to do the same.

With a decent foundation and if the dog has the right drive, it's very possible. It's also very possible in the ring sports. There are plenty of trainers that don't even touch a dog until it's a year old and then they have them titled within a year. Judging on the lower level of all sports is pretty laid back. You're not getting national level scoring and performance in 7 months but you can get a pretty solid performance out of a dog and definitely score enough points to pass. The toughest part for most dogs would probably be the IPO3 track, as it takes repetition and time for a dog to build up to that kind of length, but a skilled trainer can easily get it done. There really aren't *that many* exercises in most bite sport routines...and if you understand the point system and where you can lose points and where you can't, that timetable is not out of the question.

It's' simple math...7x30=210 training days...that's a full time trainer. That's 2-4 years of club training days for a regular club person if they're going the one time a week club meets and possibly two if that's available. Add in lack of tracking due to work and other time commitments, and it's easy to understand why titling for the amateur takes as long as it does when a professional can have it done in a quarter of the time.

And a whole lot quicker if the dog was groomed his whole life for competition and breeding, and raised properly for the goal at hand. Having had several of his progeny myself and knowing quite about him personally, there is zero doubt this dog had the drive and temperament to legitimately score his 288 SchH3.

Well in that case...I'm not sure I'd call it legitimately scoring 288...sounds like a club level trial, under an easier/friendly judge. Let's not blow the score out of proportion here, I'm sure it wasn't a 288 at a BSP type of performance.