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Shtal

by Shtal on 18 July 2016 - 15:07



Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 18 July 2016 - 16:07

Gods do not actually "burst in with huge starwars-like power" because they do not exist and therefore they CANNOT. JMHO!


GSD Admin (admin)

by GSD Admin on 18 July 2016 - 17:07

God will send non-Christians to hell but child molesting Christians get to go to heaven, SMH, LMFAO.

by Noitsyou on 18 July 2016 - 20:07

Apparently this god he speaks of is not the same one as in the Old Testament. That god is a despot who destroyed cultures and civilizations. There were plagues and turning people into pillars of salt. The Israelites were made to wander the desert for years and were later held captive in Babylon. Then there was that whole flood thing where he killed almost everyone and everything. The god of the Old Testament was the model that later mafia bosses would follow.

The "Christian" god that Jesus spoke of may be different than the one in the Old Testament but this guy refers to both books.

Shtal

by Shtal on 18 July 2016 - 21:07

http://www.johnlennox.org/about/

John Lennox is Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford and Emeritus Fellow in Mathematics and the Philosophy of Science at Green Templeton College, Oxford. He is also an Associate Fellow of the Said Business School, Oxford University, and teaches for the Oxford Strategic Leadership Programme. In addition, he is an Adjunct Lecturer at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford University, and at the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics, as well as being a Senior Fellow of the Trinity Forum.

Background

He studied at the Royal School Armagh, Northern Ireland and was Exhibitioner and Senior Scholar at Emmanuel College, Cambridge University from which he took his MA, MMath and PhD. He worked for many years in the Mathematics Institute at the University of Wales in Cardiff which awarded him a DSc for his research. He also holds an MA and DPhil from Oxford University and an MA in Bioethics from the University of Surrey. He was a Senior Alexander Von Humboldt Fellow at the Universities of Würzburg and Freiburg in Germany.

He has lectured extensively in North America, Eastern and Western Europe and Australasia on mathematics, the philosophy of science and the intellectual defence of Christianity. He has written a number of books on the interface between science, philosophy and theology. These include God’s Undertaker: Has Science Buried God? (2009), God and Stephen Hawking, a response to The Grand Design (2011), Gunning for God, on the new atheism (2011), and Seven Days that Divide the World, on the early chapters of Genesis (2011). His latest book, Against the Flow (2015), looks at the lessons for today’s society that one can draw from the life of the biblical figure, Daniel. Furthermore, in addition to over seventy published mathematical papers, he is the co-author of two research level texts in algebra in the Oxford Mathematical Monographs series.

Debates

He debated Richard Dawkins on ‘The God Delusion’ in the University of Alabama (2007) and on ‘Has Science buried God?’ in the Oxford Museum of Natural History (2008). He has also debated Christopher Hitchens on the New Atheism (Edinburgh Festival, 2008) and the question of ‘Is God Great?’ (Samford University, 2010), as well as Peter Singer on the topic of ‘Is there a God?’ (Melbourne, 2011). Furthermore, he has participated in public discussions on similar topics with many other academics on campuses around the world.


GSD Admin (admin)

by GSD Admin on 19 July 2016 - 02:07

Does he want a cookie???

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 19 July 2016 - 05:07

It IS one of the better sets of qualifications for his heroes Shtal has come up with !
But its worth noting that even other religious websites have their critiscisms of Dr. Lennox's views, and of his knowledge of biblical matters. And from this viewpoint (20-some miles South of Oxford), he looks like something of a laughing-stock even though still holding his job (which as a mathemetician doesn't really depend on a knowledge of religious philosophy). I believe VK4 pointed out more than once that none of Shtal's academics seemed to actually be qualified in a RELEVANT subject area ...

by Noitsyou on 19 July 2016 - 14:07

So does God send non-Christians to Hell or what? If so, does it mean that there are no Christians in New Jersey?

Shtal

by Shtal on 19 July 2016 - 15:07

Noitsyou wrote: So does God send non-Christians to Hell or what?


12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
(Matthew Chapter 15:12-14)

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. (John Chapter 8:44)

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
(Matthew Chapter 13:38-40)

The answer is Yes, "Tares" – are the people that can be label as "Non-Christian" and the good seed are also people that can be label as "Christians", one category of people came to this world from God, and other category of people came to this world from devil. Tares cannot become wheat and wheat cannot become tares. World – field, it could become tares or wheat!! dependency from whom under it was influence, whose roots it was drop too. (Which one)
And from the influence of this roots in the soil, partially soil transform into different tares, and diverse soil transform into wheat.
In other words – through roots comes attraction to one and to others, but this attractions are different.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. (John Chapter 6:44-45)

The word ALL does not mean that absolutely all people in this world will be instructed by God, but it means that those - that roots of the wheat have reached and so they became sons of wheat.


13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
(Isaiah Chapter 54:13)

All sons but not all people.


by Noitsyou on 19 July 2016 - 15:07

So no cavemen are in Heaven.

Also, since there were no Christians prior to Jesus that means all of the characters from the OT you know, Jews, are in Hell.





 


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