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susie

by susie on 09 January 2016 - 15:01

https://youtu.be/7Z8mEQ_qqjs

Not mandatory yet, tested are dogs in the age of 9 - 12 months


by hntrjmpr434 on 09 January 2016 - 16:01

Really neat video. Wish there was a translated version in English.
Would like to see the US implement something like this as a requirement for breeding.

DenWolf

by DenWolf on 09 January 2016 - 16:01

Nice!

AKC does have something like this.

I have video of the UDC test from a few years back, very enlightening thing to see. 

Valuable tool for the breeder/handler to see what they have to work with.  It would be even better to have a public database of all dogs that are ELIGIBLE for breeding, in which one could view video, see xrays, scores, etc.

 

 

 


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 09 January 2016 - 17:01

Canada recently developed the TEC (I believe it stands for Temperament Evaluation Certificate). It has some similarity to the German test, without the dog walk and the tilting table. It's sort of a combination of the traffic-steady portion of the BH and the AKC temperament test.

It goes something like this:

Dog and handler greet the evaluator, dog is scanned for microchip. Must remain friendly and under control.

Dog and handler meet an aloof stranger, a friendly stranger, someone who opens an umbrella, someone who rattles a bucket of chains from behind a blind. Three shots are also fired from behind a blind.

Dog must walk on an unfamiliar surface (plastic sheet on ground, x-pen laid on ground.)

Someone dressed in strange clothing and a floppy hat comes out from hiding waving a stick and shouting loudly. They bang the stick on the ground. The remain at least 20 ft. away from dog and handler. Dog can react defensively, but must remain under control.

Dogs are walked along road as a jogger, a bicycle and a car pass by. Car driver toots the horn, bicyclist rings bell.

Dogs are tied to the fence, and are evaluated on how well they accept being away from their handler.

Dogs are brought one at a time into a large group of people who walk around and make noise. If the dog is okay with this and doesn't try to eat anyone, they press really close to the dog, and start shouting and cheering and clapping.

It is now required that all GSDs pass this test in order to obtain an excellent-select title in conformation. Although many dogs have taken the test, most belong to working dog people. Very few conformation dogs have the title.


susie

by susie on 09 January 2016 - 17:01

I don´t know yet if I like this "test".
Right now testing a dog does not have any consequences, but I am pretty sure this will change within the next years.

What do they want to see in this test?
A self-confident dog
A social dog
A dog-friendly ( at least uninterested ) dog
A dog with a lot of prey-drive
A dog not afraid by sudden noises
A dog able to move ( balance )

All of this is good for a companion, for a pet, for club level sport, no doubt.
But what about a dog not willing to play with strangers?
What about a dog with less or no prey drive, but natural defense?
Will this be "mentioned" only? Or will this become a problem?

We do have the BH for years now, but within BH they do test if the dog is well socialized, not if the dog is social.
Big difference

We will see, up to now we always found a way...


by hntrjmpr434 on 10 January 2016 - 21:01

In your OP, you said dogs were 9-12 months of age. Is that the age requirement for this test? If so, wouldn't want to see a lot of defense at that age.

by joanro on 10 January 2016 - 21:01

A social dog
A dog-friendly ( at least uninterested ) dog
A dog with a lot of prey-drive

If this is used for breeding selection, the breed standard will need to be rewritten.

by duke1965 on 10 January 2016 - 21:01

the SV is between a rock and a hard plate, they want to show the world their GSD are social, playfull non dangerous dogs,in order to sell the pups
and at the same time they want to show to world that GSD are true protectors and policedogs to be able to sell the pups

this looks bit like the korung they do at Helmut raiser club, also can be passed by well socialized prey driven dog

susie

by susie on 10 January 2016 - 21:01

Yep, that´s my problem with this "test".
As long as it´s only a "description" without consequences - no problem -
but in case every dog has to be willing to play with a stranger, and needs to have tons of prey-drive, me and my dogs would be out of the game.
I am not at all against prey-drive, or social, friendly dogs, but it would be a big mistake to select for these traits only.
Most of my dogs have neither been social ( although well socialized ) nor did all of them have much prey...but they were very good specimens of the breed.
I am really curious how this "test" will affect breed selection.

by duke1965 on 10 January 2016 - 22:01

Susie, breeding good dogs is the breeders responsability, if you have to let the club tell you what and how to breed , we are doomed





 


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