Cool pup 2nd session Bitework - Page 3

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Just watched again, I dont see the grip shift just the handler holding the tug awkwardly pup still clamped on.  Perhaps Im missing it.  Then again I have seen dogs appear less then full on the sausage tugs but still bite hard and pull without shifting.  These dogs transfered with no issues to the sleeve no chewing good grip.  Just my small sample of experience / opinion.

Either way pup looks good to me and as long as she is developed properly I dont think there will be grip issues based on the one vid.

Maybe poster will post another video in a day or so after another session with this pup...

I would not be too concerned at this point except the trainer needs to be aware of the grip and make some changes to how long he lets pup be teased and how long he lets the grip go on..

Remove the pup by what ever method you are using when you see the grip start to go bad...never let the bad continue as pup needs to only be rewarded for the good...too long may indicate his focus is not ready for that length of bite...but needs to come off before he slips and only has full grip...He sure has strong jaws now just keep him focused on the grip .

JMO

YR

Haz,

I share your opinion. Any further focus on the grip is merely to be negative at this point. Not to Laugh out loud but come on ..... 14 weeks old 2nd bite session using a shitty bite tug being tested on a strange field, 2nd time wearing her lil pink harness

A couple things to note. The tug is so large and cylindrical somewhat in shape it cannot fit in the pups mouth when she strikes at it . However her strike is an attempt at being as full as possible. You can see that toward the end of the video she has the tug all the way in on one side and not on the other, meaning it is not symmetrically gripped, as it simply cannot fit flush in her 14 WEEK OLD Jaw. At the 40 sec mark being so thouroughly scrutinized, you can see the helper is grabbing both ends and as it rolls more toward symmetry, it can only be gripped as far as it can fit. Hence the reason some people use a wedge. 

Secondly I agree once developed right this grip is genetic and I have no doubt that it will not show grip issues as an adult on a sleeve. Maybe I can use a puppy sleeve after she finishes teething to demonstrate in a future video. 

I also agree with you on the non shifting, as you can see toward the end when I have her off the ground, if you look at the pups jaws as I am doing stick driving motions with my hand only, she is not regripping or shifting from side to side or even sliding downward.

Lastly, there are many positives about the pups barking, stress management, prey drive, grip strength and general hardness that could be discussed, and if someone wants to highlight only what is in their opinion a negative, we can go on and on, but really I don't wish to perpetuate any explainations in defense of what many people have already expressed is a very talented well balanced drivey pup with outstanding qualities for work , being manifested at such a young age. 

It took me a second post to explain that what I could see very clearly in a video, others required further proof of how pups started so young can develp well. I have gotten a super feedback from top helpers in Europe on her in addition to 3 offers to buy from people who were with me in Holland when I worked Max tiekrhook, in Germany when I worked Fax Adelmannsfelder Land and Eric Schnappstane. Everone is entitled to their own opinion. But as a breeder and 'junk yard trainer' I am more than satisfied.

My point is simply this it's a "Cool pup" 

Grips and tugs and internet thugs oh my....LOLLOL

vithala- I think this pup is past being cool, I think it's Awesome!!!!

Thanks for sharing the video.

Kim

I believe you have convinced us.....MY Tiekerhook male produced same..

We have a handler, trainer, breeder  on here , owner of first Tiekerhook import in usa ,which I owned a son  and grandson out of,   pdb member who I put my trust in , and Greg  is still alive and well among us...so most of us posting to you are confident you know , and you can laugh now, but I owned a junk yard for years, on gulf coast but had a trained GSD guard dog which led me to this venue that Larry Filo introduced me into many many many years ago...so you can just laugh off the JUNK YARD comment now....got you...loud and clear..!!!

My Junk yard dog,  import male Ray , bought to protect one of the largest Automotive shops in South Texas with a Junk YARD>....lol    taught me, I wanted more of the dog who stole my heart...years ago, after he passed away.

YR

YR, I was laughing the whole way through. No offense taken even if my grip visions along with others need to be adjusted lol. 

I will say this. I have gained my experience on the field and continue to do so and not on this or other forums. I welcome all opinions but prefer the intelligent ones of course like for example the ones I have gathered in my ongoing project including over 50 Luminaries in the GSD working, Herding, Show Police & Sport world :

However, maybe it is a learning point for some but certainly noteworthy, how much supporting information was needed to validate the initial video and the content therein. No offense, but comments were made varying from criticisms of decoy techniques to myopic focus on negativity in the face of overwhelming potential. Some were just plain ridiculous. It seems that empty vessels make the most noise. Had I not qualified my experience, those who could not see the work are quick to voice an opinion when a majority of their knowledge and experience comes from bouncing around on forums like this. 

I know several people I would consider Gurus in the GSD community worldwide that have been discouraged from posting because of the feedback they encountered when clearly acting from a position of knowing . 

Both the pup and I have a long way to go for sure. However dare I say everyone is at a different point. The pup's grandmother is my personal competition female that I trained from BH to Sch3, IPO 3 and competed with her in the Caribbean, then Germany and in the US. Her accolades include many Trial High's in all three phases, and had gone on to be one of the few people from the North & South American areas,  competing with a dog that they trained and titled SCh, 1, 2 3 & IPO3 at the WUSV. She has produced a service dog, S&R and IPO dog in the litter or 5 that I bred the pups mother. For the breeding we traveled to Germany and stayed with the owners of the stud and trained at their club for a while. I worked the male myself after he was recommended by my friend Ajay SIngh- incidentally from Ajay's litter with the pup's grandfather LGA Fanto v.d Lobdeburg, 2 pups were highly successful, one at the BSP! 

When my female was 10 dys pregnant with this pup's mother, we competed in Germany and although won a challenge trophy for Tracking and Ob High, at the OG Pahlen trial, she refused to out after she was pissed with the helper for pushing her too hard ( in her opinion ) he was no other than mentor, friend and BSP vice Sieger Bernhard Flinks.

Fast forward to now I bred the pup using a male I purchased who went through many tough handlers in old style training systems and still thrives in the work. He is one of the last sons of Asko v.d Lutter, with balance of nerve and heart from his mother line through Tim vd Abfuhr, Yoschy and Fado.
 

Maybe some people have posted videos to ask advice and whether something they read or heard about and saw on Youtube, they are now trying. Others comment from a point of knowledge and others don't. 
I guess my main disappointment with the response on the video is, to get the appropriate appreciation for the pup's work, I had to present a short CV 

No worries , no offense taken, as I said just disappointment. But I hear the home remedy for that is compulsive masturbation. Or maybe that just heightens the inebriation of stupidity. 

vithala- Now you have disappointed me,  No Curriculum Vitae was required on your part  to explain a nice video of a Great Pup!

As for the comments from the "Peanut Gallery" all I can say is - Quando omni flunkus, moritati.

                                  (Give them a moment, their Internet research skills are freaking Awesome)

Just saying....... take care and fun with your Awesome Pup!

Your pup can board ship with  my K9 Pirates in a Raid anytime.

Kim

Absolutely LOVE it when ego takes over and denies simple facts! 

See ya on the field!

Vit: I watched 6 videos and some of you at trial and who trained with you also...

yr

As promised, here is her 3rd Session